That is not possible.
- MJL

of course it is, the two parties can settle on a agreement.

Flyers arent winning this. Flyers doctors confirmed at the time of the trade that he had an injury and surgery is scheduled. No one undergoes surgery if they are healthy. It's a hail mary and another bad look, in a series of bad looks recently, for this organization. You knowingly trade for an injured player to get a 1st rd pick you pay the price
- hfc355

Says the Rags fan.

Agreed,

He played in a game right before the trade and attended a practice before the trade.
He gets traded and is immediately sent to the AHL.
He then mentions that he has injury, the Flyers say it can be rehabbed.
Now it needs surgery!

We are a month and a half or so out before the season starts, when is this surgery scheduled for?

He wants all of his money now because he knows his chances of getting a big pay check are over.
- WhiskeyMan

This is the same team that said Ellis was ramping it for camp - so there is that

Cutter
Failure to move vets for picks/prospects at the 24 draft
Passing on Buium
Kolosov
And now RyJo

When are people going to realize that the Flyers organization is incompetent?

You do due diligence so that there are no surprises. 99% of the time nothing turns up, you do it for the 1%. Nobody questioned the Flyers ability to put a healthy player on waivers.

Maybe the Flyers pulled a Gold Standard trade and there's nothing they could've done differently but finding out about an injury post trade and to have your doctors verify it is a bad look, period. Not caring about said injury when they found out makes them look indifferent to the injury. They could've dealt with it at the time and voided the trade.

That's what makes this "material breach" so interesting. It feels like they are trying to have their cake and eat it to. Their choices were to void the trade and lose the pick or keep the player and keep the pick. They are now trying door #3. Keep the pick and lose the player.
- Flyers_01

I have no doubt that RyJo milked a valid injury last season to not be sent down to the AHL. I am fine with that. He is trying to milk that same injury for another full year. I am not fine with that.

I dunno. I know Flyers are within their rights and all if they have proof but is this really necessary? They couldn’t just ride it out a year? What do they need the cap space for? It can’t be a locker room cancer, he was never gonna set foot in the locker room. When it comes to cap space they are worse than a smack addict.

This better be a slam dunk for the Flyers or it’s going to look really bad.
- StepfordSam

Oh relax, Karen. Perhaps they simply don't wanna pay the turd because of breach of contract. It's not gonna be that bad of a look. It's business and $hit happens.

He probably repeatedly disobeyed doctors orders.

You say you have an injury? OK. We've coordatined rehab sessions for you to attend.

He probably no-showed a few times. Then was discovered golfing and waterskiing this summer. Get lost then. We're not paying you.
- HockeyBuzzed

This is what I think most likely occurred. He got sloppy, got caught, and now is getting terminated. I'd be very surprised if they went the termination route without solid evidence to back themselves up. DB is no fool, despite what a lot of people on here think.

If the agent is telling the truth?

My guess is they settle for a $2M buyout.
- jd250

What about theM Nashville is paying him? He is going to walk away from that?

Maybe this is the heart of the dispute, the Flyers disagree with the diagnosis and the need for major surgery. I think its been clear from the very beginning, reading into Briere's comments about the subject, that the Flyers believe he is faking the injury and can play but does not want to.
- jd250

I don't think you have it quite right. A player can play with an injury. It happens all the time. Again, you don't schedule surgery for a fake injury. A doctor has to agree to the surgery. There may be some disagreement on the severity of the injury. Apply some common sense.

It’s not like he’s making Pennie’s man, he’s got a sizable contract. If they are doing some shady crap you can’t blame the flyers for this
- ClaudeFather

Exactly! Folks think the Flyers should just look the other way. This has seemed fishy from the start and based on this dude's track record he should get no benefit of the doubt.

It's not about a feud with the agent. According to the agent, Johansson is scheduled for surgery. You don't have surgery for a fake injury.
- MJL

Say the Flyers are successful in this bid, they will clear 8 mil off the cap without having to use LTIR which has negative impacts down the road correct?

of course it is, the two parties can settle on a agreement.
- jd250

You need to educate yourself. There is a CBA in place. A player can only be bought out during the buyout period. That period has passed. There is no longer an option for buyout for this season. If there was an option for the Flyers to make this go away for 2M, it would already be done. They have to follow the process in the CBA. Which is what they're doing. They have to go through a process. The Flyers just can't handle him 2M and say go away. He is owed a lot more than that. They have to go through the grievance process before any potential settlement could be made. If either side was willing to do that, why are they doing this? Johansen wants his money and the Flyers don't wan to pay him.

Say the Flyers are successful in this bid, they will clear 8 mil off the cap without having to use LTIR which has negative impacts down the road correct?
- Hextall271

The Flyers are only on the hook for 4M for Johansson I believe. Whether it is negative depends on one's point of view. I see the Flyers having cap space as a negative.

I don't think you have it quite right. A player can play with an injury. It happens all the time. Again, you don't schedule surgery for a fake injury. A doctor has to agree to the surgery. There may be some disagreement on the severity of the injury. Apply some common sense.
- MJL

I agree he has a valid injury. I believe RyJo is able to play (he did up until the trade last season) and I also do not believe the surgery is necessary.

The Flyers are only on the hook for 4M for Johansson I believe. Whether it is negative depends on one's point of view. I see the Flyers having cap space as a negative.
- MJL

100% agree

I don't think you have it quite right. A player can play with an injury. It happens all the time. Again, you don't schedule surgery for a fake injury. A doctor has to agree to the surgery. There may be some disagreement on the severity of the injury. Apply some common sense.
- MJL

Doctors can be paid to say anything. I think part of this at least is a genuine diagreement between the Flyers medical staff and the so-called independent doctor. Also consider players have to go through a physical when trades are made, and the Flyers could have balked if their medical staff found a serious, career threatening injury, which of course they didn't.

The Flyers are only on the hook for 4M for Johansson I believe. Whether it is negative depends on one's point of view. I see the Flyers having cap space as a negative.
- MJL

Yes, the Flyers are on the hook for $4M. Why would it be a negative? Right now they have no roster spots unless they trade some players. RYJO was never going to play for them anyway, so its not like he would free up a roster spot. I think its a positive.

Doctors can be paid to say anything. I think part of this at least is a genuine diagreement between the Flyers medical staff and the so-called independent doctor. Also consider players have to go through a physical when trades are made, and the Flyers could have balked if their medical staff found a serious, career threatening injury, which of course they didn't.
- jd250

I do not even think it needs to be that criminal. Unless RyJo has a tear or a break the treatment will vary from doctor to doctor. For example, a sprained ankle could be corrected with physical therapy or surgery.

Without knowing the injury, how can anyone speculate as to the rest?

The Flyers are only on the hook for 4M for Johansson I believe. Whether it is negative depends on one's point of view. I see the Flyers having cap space as a negative.
- MJL

Agreed. I want the Flyers to be cap strapped forever!

Doctors can be paid to say anything. I think part of this at least is a genuine diagreement between the Flyers medical staff and the so-called independent doctor. Also consider players have to go through a physical when trades are made, and the Flyers could have balked if their medical staff found a serious, career threatening injury, which of course they didn't.
- jd250

https://thehockeynews.com...ct-due-to-material-breach

Philadelphia acquired Johansen from the Avalanche before the trade deadline but immediately waived him in an attempt to send him to the AHL’s Lehigh Valley Phantoms and potentially offload him before the deadline passed. Days later, however, the league reversed Johansen’s AHL assignment after he failed his physical following the trade due to a hip injury.

The injury also prevented Johansen from being bought out by the Flyers in June.

This was a closely watched trade from the beginning and has already been before the league one time already. The Flyers wanted the draft pick more than they wanted to not pay the player.

If the Flyers thought they had a case earlier, they would've brought it up before the end of the buyout period in June. Something changed. There's no upside to them waiting this long to file.

https://thehockeynews.com...ct-due-to-material-breach

Philadelphia acquired Johansen from the Avalanche before the trade deadline but immediately waived him in an attempt to send him to the AHL’s Lehigh Valley Phantoms and potentially offload him before the deadline passed. Days later, however, the league reversed Johansen’s AHL assignment after he failed his physical following the trade due to a hip injury.

The injury also prevented Johansen from being bought out by the Flyers in June.

This was a closely watched trade from the beginning and has already been before the league one time already. The Flyers wanted the draft pick more than they wanted to not pay the player.

If the Flyers thought they had a case earlier, they would've brought it up before the end of the buyout period in June. Something changed. There's no upside to them waiting this long to file.
- Flyers_01

Everyone has a phone these days which can take instant videos. Perhaps he was caught doing things that injured folks aren't supposed to be doing unaware that he was being filmed. This would be my guess if I had to make a guess.

Doctors can be paid to say anything. I think part of this at least is a genuine diagreement between the Flyers medical staff and the so-called independent doctor. Also consider players have to go through a physical when trades are made, and the Flyers could have balked if their medical staff found a serious, career threatening injury, which of course they didn't.
- jd250

LOL, sure a doctor is going to put his medical license on the line for making a fraudulent diagnosis for Johansson. That's likely! Players don't have to go through a physical when trades are made.

This is the same team that said Ellis was ramping it for camp - so there is that
- corduroy

RYJO said he himself is injured.

Yes, the Flyers are on the hook for $4M. Why would it be a negative? Right now they have no roster spots unless they trade some players. RYJO was never going to play for them anyway, so its not like he would free up a roster spot. I think its a positive.
- jd250

The Flyers spend cap space like a junkie needing a fix.