"heard".
- hello it's me 2050

Yes, I spend lots of hours in my car with what I do in business these days and I listen to NHL Network on Sirius/XM (when I'm not listening to music). There are many astute hockey guys on there along with ex players and that's where I hear lots of things. Ryjo has not been spoken of in a friendly manner on there frequently. Basically just a lazy player that plays hard when he wants to, and when they traded him to the Flyers the Colorado analyst did all he could by not throwing the guy under the bus. You could tell that the guy wasn't sorry to see Ryjo go and not just because of his salary.

I don't suck off their crank. I admonish them as much as the next guy when they make blunders and was livid when they passed on Buium! I haven't bought a ticket since the 2012 playoffs, but I try to have hope in the team that I am a fan of. I know that they are NEVER gonna tank like folks like you want, so I have to hope it works. Their philosophy has almost worked before, but the last 12 years have been a disgrace due to incompetent management (the end of Homer's tenure, Hexy and Chuckles). Do I have lots of faith in this current regime? Probably not, but I have to give them the benefit of the doubt until it becomes painfully obvious that they are just as bad as the previous regimes.
- Phillywhiteout

The very act of continuing the same old philosophy, shows that they are just as bad. This organization has done nothing to earn the benefit of the doubt.

I don't suck off their crank. I admonish them as much as the next guy when they make blunders and was livid when they passed on Buium! I haven't bought a ticket since the 2012 playoffs, but I try to have hope in the team that I am a fan of. I know that they are NEVER gonna tank like folks like you want, so I have to hope it works. Their philosophy has almost worked before, but the last 12 years have been a disgrace due to incompetent management (the end of Homer's tenure, Hexy and Chuckles). Do I have lots of faith in this current regime? Probably not, but I have to give them the benefit of the doubt until it becomes painfully obvious that they are just as bad as the previous regimes.
- Phillywhiteout

you can have all the hope you want. hope won't change how they operate and why they are a bottom end team and organization.

we disagree as they get no benefit of the doubt in any way.

Yes, I spend lots of hours in my car with what I do in business these days and I listen to NHL Network on Sirius/XM (when I'm not listening to music). There are many astute hockey guys on there along with ex players and that's where I hear lots of things. Ryjo has not been spoken of in a friendly manner on there frequently. Basically just a lazy player that plays hard when he wants to, and when they traded him to the Flyers the Colorado analyst did all he could by not throwing the guy under the bus. You could tell that the guy wasn't sorry to see Ryjo go and not just because of his salary.
- Phillywhiteout

then say you "heard" it on an nhl show.

then say you "heard" it on an nhl show.
- hello it's me 2050

I just did.

The very act of continuing the same old philosophy, shows that they are just as bad. This organization has done nothing to earn the benefit of the doubt.
- MJL

There are variations of philosophies. They aren't gonna tank and I knew that they were going to resign TK. They haven't signed any big name free agents other than their own. I mean, I thought extending Coots was worse than extending TK, but that wasn't this regime. The Hayes signing was brutal. They are stockpiling picks now and we shall see what happens. I'm already on record of saying that I'm not pleased with this off season so far, but gotta see what transpires going forward. Do I have exceptionally high hopes? Nah...it pisses me off that they don't have Buium and Gauthier in the fold cause I would be legit excited if that was the case along with 6 picks in the first 2 rounds next year.

if he has been unwilling to rehab than an open and shut case in flyers favor. haven't seen anything to indicate that is the case.

didn't risto rehab for several months then got surgery? many players try that first. if ryjo has indeed been rehabbing and now wants the surgery that isn't out of the ordinary. despite what his motives may, be such as not wanting to play.

also keep in mind that briere has said himself (public record) that ryjo is injured. said he will likely never play again. flyers doctors would have had to agree that he is injured. to what extent? who knows.

will be interesting to see how this shakes out if no settlement. hopefully there is no settlement so we can hear both sides of this. either way this is mickey mouse garbge that makes the team look petty and in a bad light.
- hello it's me 2050

RYJO said he himself was injured. Was Danny going to go public and say RYJO is a liar. Would have been a more PR nightmare.

RYJO said he himself was injured. Was Danny going to go public and say RYJO is a liar. Would have been a more PR nightmare.
- WhiskeyMan

it is a pr nightmare now. danny confirmed he is injured. that is what matters.

There are variations of philosophies. They aren't gonna tank and I knew that they were going to resign TK. They haven't signed any big name free agents other than their own. I mean, I thought extending Coots was worse than extending TK, but that wasn't this regime. The Hayes signing was brutal. They are stockpiling picks now and we shall see what happens. I'm already on record of saying that I'm not pleased with this off season so far, but gotta see what transpires going forward. Do I have exceptionally high hopes? Nah...it pisses me off that they don't have Buium and Gauthier in the fold cause I would be legit excited if that was the case along with 6 picks in the first 2 rounds next year.
- Phillywhiteout

They haven't signed anyone because they don't have the cap space to. They have all but admitted that when the gain space, they will use it. This isn't a rebuild. It's a pause until they can free up some cap space. Then they'll use it and this endless process of going nowhere will continue. Fans like you though say they don't want to wait 7-10 years but don't realize that you have already been waiting for 14 years. That the more they continue with this method, the longer it will take.

That's how I see it too. The Flyers also lose a possible asset if RyJo is allowed to just sit out the year. If he played the Flyers might be able to get a draft pick or something for him during the year.

I am fine with the Flyers trying to terminate the deal. I do not think RyJo is acting in good faith in this scenario.
- mickel25

In typical FLyer fashion they would give him a 4 year extension

RYJO said he himself was injured. Was Danny going to go public and say RYJO is a liar. Would have been a more PR nightmare.
- WhiskeyMan

I don't think the dispute is about whether he is injured or not. If the Flyers are successful in terminating the contract. There will be no PR nightmare.

I believe Tippett could get 40 in the right situation. Get a new PP coach and line him up on the half wall on his off wing! Set him up for one timers galore. The guy had 8 points on the PP last season which is a disgrace. FIRE ROCKY!!
- Phillywhiteout

Be careful. I said something similar a few months ago and got thrashed. Haha. You won’t have many agree with you on that point but I think OT has the ability and potential to be a 40 guy. My opinion and $2.97 will feget you a 20oz coffee at Wawa. 😂

Be careful. I said something similar a few months ago and got thrashed. Haha. You won’t have many agree with you on that point but I think OT has the ability and potential to be a 40 guy. My opinion and $2.97 will feget you a 20oz coffee at Wawa. 😂
- mikeyo27

What is that opinion based on if you don't mind having a discussion.

Yes, I spend lots of hours in my car with what I do in business these days and I listen to NHL Network on Sirius/XM (when I'm not listening to music). There are many astute hockey guys on there along with ex players and that's where I hear lots of things. Ryjo has not been spoken of in a friendly manner on there frequently. Basically just a lazy player that plays hard when he wants to, and when they traded him to the Flyers the Colorado analyst did all he could by not throwing the guy under the bus. You could tell that the guy wasn't sorry to see Ryjo go and not just because of his salary.
- Phillywhiteout

Can’t wait until the regular shows come back, especially Steve Kouleous

I don't think the dispute is about whether he is injured or not. If the Flyers are successful in terminating the contract. There will be no PR nightmare.
- MJL

I agree, but don't really see a pr nightmare regardless of the outcome. The guy plays in every game and doesnt take any practices off even for bumps and bruises before the trade. Also if he wanted no movement control in his contract than he or his agent should have negotiated that, but he wanted the cash. So he refuses to play in Lehigh and comes up with an injury excuse which again did not prevent him from missing games in CO due to that injury.

So did he get hurt when he answered the phone to find out he was traded? Did he get hurt stepping off the plane? Just when did this "career threatening" injury happen? Did he fall off his stool while eating his cocco puffs that morning?

Sure he might have had a minor injury that could have required a little rehab. We all understand that. However, its fairly obvious he embellished in order to avoid Lehigh. If he was too injured to play, why is he still waiting on surgery which supposedly is scheduled even though no one knows when that surgery actually is. If you are telling me he could not have survey in April cause the Flyers refused to agree to that, then we are they now agreeing to surgery? According to that logic they must have agreed to that if it's scheduled right?

There have been rumors about this guy being a problem for years. This is not new or propaganda predicated on the current situation. There is plenty for the flyers to gain by going in this direction as 4 mill could come off the books and that 4 more mill can be used before the deadline in exchange for picks or they could make a hockey trade for a center in his mid 20s that makes a few bucks later in the year once they have information on the direction of this team.

The more you hear hockey people review this topic, the more it sounds like the Flyers might just have a point here. Also winning the breach argument would make that Provy trade that much better.

Agreed. What is the ultimate benefit for the Flyers in this situation? Cap space for this year?

Only a cap space junky like the Flyers would make that cost-benefit analysis decision. That's what the Flyers have become. Complete degenerates looking for that next sweet high (cap space/burning it).

There is now zero difference between the Flyers org and the junkies pan-handling at the Walt Whitman exit/95 S intersection. They'll do whatever is necessary to get it.

What is that opinion based on if you don't mind having a discussion.
- MJL

I don't think he is gonna pot that many more goals 5v5, but he could put in another 5 to 7 on the PP putting him in that mid 30s range which I think we all would take in a heartbeat for next year. Eventually if they find a center and with the maturation of Michcov I think he could reach that 40 goal mark eventually. I do think he is different that pretty much anyone else on this team because he can generate his own offense. Maybe Frost to a much lesser extend. Tippett takes guys one on one and can be successful regardless who he plays with. We have not had a player like that in along time.

To me the flyers should have just paid ryjo his money and stick him on the injured list all year. dont see what the end game or benefit really is at this time.

the optics don't look good no matter how this turns out. this could have short and long-term effects with free agents and agents in general. just another cloud over a struggling franchise who really didn't need any more bad press.

so, if they do settle this just looks petty and no real gain.
- hello it's me 2050

Nah get rid of him. He's a PoS and the fact that hes waited until Camp starts to get a surgery scheduled is clear to his character. He's had months to do so. Flyers are better off terminating and getting under the cap without the use of LTIR plus they can weaponize that space.

That being said, is the contract terminated? I havent seen anything that stated the Flyers have actually terminated the contract yet.

Agreed. What is the ultimate benefit for the Flyers in this situation? Cap space for this year?

Only a cap space junky like the Flyers would make that cost-benefit analysis decision. That's what the Flyers have become. Complete degenerates looking for that next sweet high (cap space/burning it).

There is now zero difference between the Flyers org and the junkies pan-handling at the Walt Whitman exit/95 S intersection. They'll do whatever is necessary to get it.
- StepfordSam

They get under the cap without using the LTIR and they have cap space to weaponize for assets.

I believe Tippett could get 40 in the right situation. Get a new PP coach and line him up on the half wall on his off wing! Set him up for one timers galore. The guy had 8 points on the PP last season which is a disgrace. FIRE ROCKY!!
- Phillywhiteout

He's likely not going to hit 40. Had 28 last season, hes 25, maybe 1-2 more years before hes in his prime. I say 30-35 is his ceiling. Foerster is the guy Im high on. 22 years old and a 20 goal rookie season. This guy could be the next Mark Stone.

I agree, but don't really see a pr nightmare regardless of the outcome. The guy plays in every game and doesnt take any practices off even for bumps and bruises before the trade. Also if he wanted no movement control in his contract than he or his agent should have negotiated that, but he wanted the cash. So he refuses to play in Lehigh and comes up with an injury excuse which again did not prevent him from missing games in CO due to that injury.

So did he get hurt when he answered the phone to find out he was traded? Did he get hurt stepping off the plane? Just when did this "career threatening" injury happen? Did he fall off his stool while eating his cocco puffs that morning?

Sure he might have had a minor injury that could have required a little rehab. We all understand that. However, its fairly obvious he embellished in order to avoid Lehigh. If he was too injured to play, why is he still waiting on surgery which supposedly is scheduled even though no one knows when that surgery actually is. If you are telling me he could not have survey in April cause the Flyers refused to agree to that, then we are they now agreeing to surgery? According to that logic they must have agreed to that if it's scheduled right?

There have been rumors about this guy being a problem for years. This is not new or propaganda predicated on the current situation. There is plenty for the flyers to gain by going in this direction as 4 mill could come off the books and that 4 more mill can be used before the deadline in exchange for picks or they could make a hockey trade for a center in his mid 20s that makes a few bucks later in the year once they have information on the direction of this team.

The more you hear hockey people review this topic, the more it sounds like the Flyers might just have a point here. Also winning the breach argument would make that Provy trade that much better.
- 26912 PP

According to Brière, Johansen informed the Flyers directly after the trade that he was dealing with a hip injury, which did not keep him out of the lineup for any period of time in Colorado. Philadelphia’s team doctors then confirmed the injury.

https://www.prohockeyrumo...versed-due-to-injury.html

Agreed. What is the ultimate benefit for the Flyers in this situation? Cap space for this year?

Only a cap space junky like the Flyers would make that cost-benefit analysis decision. That's what the Flyers have become. Complete degenerates looking for that next sweet high (cap space/burning it).

There is now zero difference between the Flyers org and the junkies pan-handling at the Walt Whitman exit/95 S intersection. They'll do whatever is necessary to get it.
- StepfordSam

The entire reason for this discussion is the current regime are rebuilding using cap space as a weapon. That by itself shows just how different Briere is compared to other recent GMs we have had here. We are not in the market for high priced free agents, we are in the market to accumulate assets and they have successfully done that by taking on bad contracts just like Johansen. Has Briere gone after any high priced free agents? Any? No. of couse he has not. He has said many times that time will come, but they are not there yet.

Agreed. What is the ultimate benefit for the Flyers in this situation? Cap space for this year?

Only a cap space junky like the Flyers would make that cost-benefit analysis decision. That's what the Flyers have become. Complete degenerates looking for that next sweet high (cap space/burning it).

There is now zero difference between the Flyers org and the junkies pan-handling at the Walt Whitman exit/95 S intersection. They'll do whatever is necessary to get it.
- StepfordSam

I agree with that about the Flyers but you don't just try and terminate a players contract because of a thirst for cap space. You have to have a legitimate cause that a player has violated terms of his contract.

I don't think he is gonna pot that many more goals 5v5, but he could put in another 5 to 7 on the PP putting him in that mid 30s range which I think we all would take in a heartbeat for next year. Eventually if they find a center and with the maturation of Michcov I think he could reach that 40 goal mark eventually. I do think he is different that pretty much anyone else on this team because he can generate his own offense. Maybe Frost to a much lesser extend. Tippett takes guys one on one and can be successful regardless who he plays with. We have not had a player like that in along time.
- 26912 PP

Tippet is limited in terms of his goal scoring repertoire. He's basically a guy who uses elite speed to beat defenseman and a shooter off of the wing. He's very good at that and come obviously score goals doing that. There isn't a lot more to his offensive game. On his own merit, he is not close to a 40 goal player. An elite player could elevate his scoring.

According to Brière, Johansen informed the Flyers directly after the trade that he was dealing with a hip injury, which did not keep him out of the lineup for any period of time in Colorado. Philadelphia’s team doctors then confirmed the injury.

https://www.prohockeyrumo...versed-due-to-injury.html
- corduroy

yes, we know that. Every player in the NHL by game 60 has an injury in some capacity. Every one is dealing with something, but they play through it just like he did for every single game and practice and he not play terribly. Then magically he cannot play anymore and also cannot even do rehab and requires surgery which he still has not had 7 months later. We all know the Flyers were planning on buying him out, but could not do so because of the injury nonsense. If the guy wanted to wait till his wedding to have the surgery because that was more convenient then I guess he's gonna have to deal with the inquiry from the Flyers. They have a team to run. Also, if the surgery was actually scheduled then when is it? Kinda seemed like there was a problem in CO btw:

According to Avs insider Adrian Dater, “relations between Avs core players turned sour within last two weeks toward Johansen. It was a problem that was addressed today. But Johansen side of story yet to be told. Bottom line: there was friction in room.”