Dude, nothing you can say is going over my head. I was strictly talking about speed, but I guess that went over your head. Any moron can figure out that you were talking about staying up with Michkov talent wise, but I added insight to the obvious! Thanks for not understanding!
- Phillywhiteout

No need to bring up speed, when speed wasn’t apart of the discussion. According to you, Jett holds the size advantage over Morgan Frost. I don’t know how you got this idea.

I'm with you! Let's see how he develops this year and then guess where he would fall into the upcoming deep draft next year if he wasn't of age to be drafted this year

Either way, a little refining and this kid could be a stud
- Bob Habib

Youngest player in the first round. His body is already mature enough to play in the NHL at 5’11”, 185. Probably one of, if not the fastest skaters of his draft class. The book on Jett is, he’s a hard worker.

All of this without bringing up skill. This might be the savviest pick by any GM in the first round. Think of the Moritz Seider pick by Steve Yzerman. Yzerman for all his faults as GM in Detroit (in my opinion) went off the board and picked Seider, who he could have gotten later. The kid turns into a Calder trophy winner as rookie of the year his first season and is only getting better.

I am seeing tons of "If Ristolainen is traded to the Oilers".

I'm not sure who kicked off this rumor, but...

If the Flyers did trade him, that opens a spot for a younger player, but what would the D look like?

York-Sanheim
Seeler-Drysdale
Zamula-????

I don't like any of those pairings. I doubt Bonk will be ready so I am thinking Andrae or Ginning or Attard...None I would want in the top 4 right now unless they blow up in preseason.

Who would play?

I am seeing tons of "If Ristolainen is traded to the Oilers".

I'm not sure who kicked off this rumor, but...

If the Flyers did trade him, that opens a spot for a younger player, but what would the D look like?

York-Sanheim
Seeler-Drysdale
Zamula-????

I don't like any of those pairings. I doubt Bonk will be ready so I am thinking Andrae or Ginning or Attard...None I would want in the top 4 right now unless they blow up in preseason.

Who would play?
- Glak18

And you like the pairings with Risto?

I am seeing tons of "If Ristolainen is traded to the Oilers".

I'm not sure who kicked off this rumor, but...

If the Flyers did trade him, that opens a spot for a younger player, but what would the D look like?

York-Sanheim
Seeler-Drysdale
Zamula-????

I don't like any of those pairings. I doubt Bonk will be ready so I am thinking Andrae or Ginning or Attard...None I would want in the top 4 right now unless they blow up in preseason.

Who would play?
- Glak18

Andrea and Ginning play the left side. Attard the right.

Shattenkirk still available.

And you like the pairings with Risto?
- ClaudeFather

Fair question...no I don't.

I'd rather see Seeler on the 3rd pair. I know everyone wants to put Drysdale and York together because they are friends, but I'd rather see Drysdale more with Sanheim depending how he looks after surgery.

Sanheim-Drysdale
York-???
Zamula-Seeler
Johnson

Ideally I wish Bonk was ready and try him with York, but I just don't see Andrae, Ginning, Attard or even Zamula ready for top 4 minutes.

This is where everyone chimes in WE NEED A TOP PAIR D....

Andrea and Ginning play the left side. Attard the right.

Shattenkirk still available.
- furio16

Andrae and Ginning have played both sides, just like Seeler and Zamula and Sanheim.

Yes, I would love to see the players play their strong side.

I am seeing tons of "If Ristolainen is traded to the Oilers".

I'm not sure who kicked off this rumor, but...

If the Flyers did trade him, that opens a spot for a younger player, but what would the D look like?

York-Sanheim
Seeler-Drysdale
Zamula-????

I don't like any of those pairings. I doubt Bonk will be ready so I am thinking Andrae or Ginning or Attard...None I would want in the top 4 right now unless they blow up in preseason.

Who would play?
- Glak18

I’d prefer to let Bonk simmer for another year at least. Maybe he gets a little action down the homestretch, but I don’t wanna rush the kid.

I want him to be a stalwart defenseman one day. I know he showed a little offensive upside last year, but I’m not expecting that to transfer over to the NHL. Just a trustworthy second pairing guy who makes smart decisions, finishes checks, and breaks up the opponents momentum.

Initially I had him as a possible 3rd pairing guy one day. Now I’m thinking he has the potential to be a Luke Richardson type on the 2nd pairing.

I talked about that earlier with a few of you.

Luke was never anything fancy, but he was useful and had value. I’m not saying Bonk will be a leader/captain like Luke was. I have no idea regarding his personality. He’s lighter, too. But that type of guy all the same.

Just stop with your rhetoric against Torts. He has a track record and a damn good one of weeding out soft players. Frost had a good second half of the previous season and WASN'T bench by Torts. He faltered at many different times last season and was rightfully benched. Frost needs to $hit or get off the pot! There are many nights when you NEVER see him around the puck or involved in the play. He becomes a perimeter player far too often and that's the fact Jack!! Oh, and thanks yet again!
- Phillywhiteout

Your analysis of both Frost and Tortorella is not supported by the facts. Your posts are just empty, incoherent cliche filled rambling nonsense.

That's why I always try to separate stat lines from the player.

Crosby, McDavid, Lindros etc....were considered generational before getting a single point in the NHL. The tags based on potential is mostly graded by the players skillset.

Player production and stats, I believe, are products not just of the players skills, but also the team, the linemates, the coaches and other environmental factors. That's why I hate when players are compared by stats.

So when I see players that have better numbers or ones that compare, I don't always see them as equal, which is why there will ALWAYS be debates.

Backstrom's skillset of vision, ice IQ, passing, underrated shot...he had an elite skillset...I loved Briere as a player, but Danny wasn't even close to Backstrom and I bet Danny would say the same thing.
- Glak18

Problem is, skill sets are like the college you attended. Don't count for anything until you do something with what you have.

Barring injury, you should be able to compensate for coach/usage/linemates/teams with a large sample set etc of important games if you do have skill and have the smarts + the dawg (desire/grit/compete/big game mentality).

Yashin and Zherdev were great skill guys. I remember someone saying (I think Richards or Hartnell) that Zherdev was the most skilled player they had ever played with.

I do personally put stock in the PUP category: "performance under pressure." I think this stat, appropriately defined, should be more in the limelight than meaningless regular season stats (since the NHL games changes completely from Feb onwards, 60%+ into the season).

Briere truly elevated his offensive game in the playoffs, though sadly not his defensive game. If Michkov turns out to be a superstar (and we are a LONG way away from such anointing), and I was constructing a roster for playoffs, whether I choose Briere or Backstrom for 2C would be a pretty nuanced decision for me personally. It would depend a lot on who the wingers were on that line, and what the hoped for role of that line was. There are circumstances where I may want Briere, if the wingers were solid defensive players and we wanted a more goal scoring threat from the 2nd line.

Andrae and Ginning have played both sides, just like Seeler and Zamula and Sanheim.

Yes, I would love to see the players play their strong side.
- Glak18

Don’t think the Flyers view Andrea on the right side. I do not recall him playing anything but the left side for Phantoms.

I have this weird feeling the Flyers are up to something...

I know they need to clear space and may have to clear space before the judgement happens on Johansen, but I think they have a target to fill that space.

My gut has this strange gurgling feeling that it's someone like Seth Jones or that type.

Problem is, skill sets are like the college you attended. Don't count for anything until you do something with what you have.

Barring injury, you should be able to compensate for coach/usage/linemates/teams with a large sample set etc of important games if you do have skill and have the smarts + the dawg (desire/grit/compete/big game mentality).

Yashin and Zherdev were great skill guys. I remember someone saying (I think Richards or Hartnell) that Zherdev was the most skilled player they had ever played with.

I do personally put stock in the PUP category: "performance under pressure." I think this stat, appropriately defined, should be more in the limelight than meaningless regular season stats (since the NHL games changes completely from Feb onwards, 60%+ into the season).

Briere truly elevated his offensive game in the playoffs, though sadly not his defensive game. If Michkov turns out to be a superstar (and we are a LONG way away from such anointing), and I was constructing a roster for playoffs, whether I choose Briere or Backstrom for 2C would be a pretty nuanced decision for me personally. It would depend a lot on who the wingers were on that line, and what the hoped for role of that line was. There are circumstances where I may want Briere, if the wingers were solid defensive players and we wanted a more goal scoring threat from the 2nd line.
- PT21

When Yashin was on, he was pretty electric. Mostly for Ottawa.

I’d prefer to let Bonk simmer for another year at least. Maybe he gets a little action down the homestretch, but I don’t wanna rush the kid.

I want him to be a stalwart defenseman one day. I know he showed a little offensive upside last year, but I’m not expecting that to transfer over to the NHL. Just a trustworthy second pairing guy who makes smart decisions, finishes checks, and breaks up the opponents momentum.

Initially I had him as a possible 3rd pairing guy one day. Now I’m thinking he has the potential to be a Luke Richardson type on the 2nd pairing.

I talked about that earlier with a few of you.

Luke was never anything fancy, but he was useful and had value. I’m not saying Bonk will be a leader/captain like Luke was. I have no idea regarding his personality. He’s lighter, too. But that type of guy all the same.
- Hesh_

Ah the Luke and Dan pairing. Tough and hard-nosed and big and dirty, difficult to play against. But, as is usually the case with Flyers, those qualities were way overrated and in playoffs, iirc, they pretty much sucked.

I have this weird feeling the Flyers are up to something...

I know they need to clear space and may have to clear space before the judgement happens on Johansen, but I think they have a target to fill that space.

My gut has this strange gurgling feeling that it's someone like Seth Jones or that type.
- Glak18

At that contract? Hard pass.

Ugh. I just ate. Stop that nonsense.

Ah the Luke and Dan pairing. Tough and hard-nosed and big and dirty, difficult to play against. But, as is usually the case with Flyers, those qualities were way overrated and in playoffs, iirc, they pretty much sucked.
- PT21

Well, we don’t have a Dan to put him with, and the guy had a nice career overall.

Besides, Bonks a little smaller, a little quicker.

At that contract? Hard pass.

Ugh. I just ate. Stop that nonsense.
- Hesh_

I didn't say the Flyers are targeting Seth Jones...I just have this feeling the Flyers are targeting someone with this space they want.

I hope it's just gas.

Your analysis of both Frost and Tortorella is not supported by the facts. Your posts are just empty, incoherent cliche filled rambling nonsense.
- MJL

Do you actually EVER read my posts cause basically by your retorts you don't. They are just nonsensical and not even involving the discussion at hand. This is from your avoidance that I always win these back and forths with you, and you just can't stand it. Again, there is more to life than stats? Go live life! Have you ever played hockey? No! You have no idea what you are looking at unless you can read stats. Frost is a soft player that plays small for his size. I was actually shocked to see that he was 6' 195 lbs. I thought he was much smaller than that.

I didn't say the Flyers are targeting Seth Jones...I just have this feeling the Flyers are targeting someone with this space they want.

I hope it's just gas.
- Glak18

Yeah, I mean they do that. Money has always seemed to burn a hole in their pockets.

No need to bring up speed, when speed wasn’t apart of the discussion. According to you, Jett holds the size advantage over Morgan Frost. I don’t know how you got this idea.
- roenick97

Try to use your brain when you get into discussions with folks. It's just better that way. Thanks! Jett plays a bigger game than Frost and he will be a bigger player when he fills out. Not to mention that he will play a much bigger game than Frost when he is Frost's current age. You see how that works?

Problem is, skill sets are like the college you attended. Don't count for anything until you do something with what you have.

Barring injury, you should be able to compensate for coach/usage/linemates/teams with a large sample set etc of important games if you do have skill and have the smarts + the dawg (desire/grit/compete/big game mentality).

Yashin and Zherdev were great skill guys. I remember someone saying (I think Richards or Hartnell) that Zherdev was the most skilled player they had ever played with.

I do personally put stock in the PUP category: "performance under pressure." I think this stat, appropriately defined, should be more in the limelight than meaningless regular season stats (since the NHL games changes completely from Feb onwards, 60%+ into the season).

Briere truly elevated his offensive game in the playoffs, though sadly not his defensive game. If Michkov turns out to be a superstar (and we are a LONG way away from such anointing), and I was constructing a roster for playoffs, whether I choose Briere or Backstrom for 2C would be a pretty nuanced decision for me personally. It would depend a lot on who the wingers were on that line, and what the hoped for role of that line was. There are circumstances where I may want Briere, if the wingers were solid defensive players and we wanted a more goal scoring threat from the 2nd line.
- PT21

Maybe its just semantics, but I said skillset over skills for a reason. Most people refer to "skilled" players with their offensive instincts and abilities.

Skillset to me is the same for all players: Skating, edges, lateral movement, backwards, acceleration, puck control while skating, etc. Then physical attributes associated with those skillsets. Then conditioning, work ethic, etc. like you mentioned with Crosby and his competitiveness.

There's a lot of fast skaters out there, not many if any can do what McDavid does when he has the puck and speed. Like you said there have been many players with really good skillsets that have not performed to the expectations of others...Daigle had a great skillset.

The biggest thing for me is the Flyers need to try to find players who have some skillsets that are considered higher tier, but they tend to go for the more "balanced" safer bet.

Do you actually EVER read my posts cause basically by your retorts you don't. They are just nonsensical and not even involving the discussion at hand. This is from your avoidance that I always win these back and forths with you, and you just can't stand it. Again, there is more to life than stats? Go live life! Have you ever played hockey? No! You have no idea what you are looking at unless you can read stats. Frost is a soft player that plays small for his size. I was actually shocked to see that he was 6' 195 lbs. I thought he was much smaller than that.
- Phillywhiteout

More incoherent rambling. The facts don't support your opinion. Frost is not a soft player. You don't like facts because they show your wrong.

I laugh at you. You don't seem to understand that the facts support opinions. One way or the other. Otherwise it's just a Richard measuring contest.

Eagles fans booing after ONE offensive series. Clowns!

More incoherent rambling. The facts don't support your opinion. Frost is not a soft player. You don't like facts because they show your wrong.

I laugh at you. You don't seem to understand that the facts support opinions. One way or the other. Otherwise it's just a Richard measuring contest.
- MJL

Read between the lines and perhaps you'll figure things out. Or is that too difficult for you if you don't have a stat sheet in front of you?

Try to use your brain when you get into discussions with folks. It's just better that way. Thanks! Jett plays a bigger game than Frost and he will be a bigger player when he fills out. Not to mention that he will play a much bigger game than Frost when he is Frost's current age. You see how that works?
- Phillywhiteout

Your comments are really pathetically stupid. See how what works? LOL You ramble incoherently and think you've proved something? You've already admitted that you've seen little of Luchanko's play. Why does it have to be a comparison between Frost and Luchanko? Why are you so hung up on that?