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- Snot Dillingham

Best sports movie of all time.

I’m literally sitting on my front porch drinking coffee if that’s what you mean by hiding… Langarth W London Ontario just to be extra sneaky lol

And my meetings are band practices… and I don’t talk I just listen since I’m the bassist lol
- Dozzer

the last 3 lines are from Lunatics Fringe

So let's use this that Mirtle proposed - you have:

Knies (.925) - Matthews (13.25) - Marner (10.9)
Pacioretty (1.1) - Nylander (11.5) - Jarnkrok (2.1)
Robertson (.875) - Tavares (11) - Domi (3.75)
McMann (1.35) - Kampf (2.4) - Reaves (1.35)
Holmberg (.8)
Lorentz (.775)


Rielly (7.5) - Tanev (4.5)
Benoit (1.35) - McCabe (2)
Ekman-Larsson (3.5) - Liljegren (3)
Rifai (.775)

Woll (.767)
Stolarz (2.5)


LTIR
Hakanpaa (1.47)
Dewar (1.18)

This is a cap of 90.62m with 2.65m of LTIR space.

That does assume Timmins is waived.

The wrinkles here are that we don't know how long Dewar and Hakanpaa are actually injured for - at least a month to start the year, if they begin on LTIR. But you still need to make that $2.65m in space before they come back to the roster.

That feels to me like they have a Liljegren sized hole in the cap - meaning you trade him now, keep Timmins until you need the $1.1m space, and then move Timmins one way or the other to make the room you need.
- Monkeypunk

2.65M becomes more like 1M when they add those two guys back b/c they'll have to waive Rifai and atleast to make roster room. Cutting 1M would just mean figuring out which 13F didn't make the cut ...Lorentz or Holmberg or Reaves.

A bigger trade (Lilly, Krok) is an option but I also think that if the deal for Lilly isn't there right now they probably don't take a loss on him to save Timmins.

They've got options and can kick this down the road.

the last 3 lines are from Lunatics Fringe
- dmnted

The Cochrane song? No surprise I don’t know them I hardly ever pay attention to vox unless I’m singing a backup. The melody of it absolutely but the words themselves? No, not really. My thing tho (I’m sure there’s others but not many), not the norm, how shocking huh? lol

I won’t be shocked if he gets dealt for “future considerations” somewhere tbh. You’re not wrong, on these leafs he’s a $3 mill 6th-7th guy. For a cap constrained team that’s simply way too expensive. A team like Columbus could use him to reach the cap floor, them and others will still be takers, but they’ll wait for the leafs to be forced to do it making the price nothing.
- Dozzer

It's not a great cap hit but for teams not up against the cap... he's only owed 3.6M over two years (leafs paid him 2.4M bonus already). Pretty good value for a 25 yr old nhl dman. He'd fetch draft picks if he were traded.

It's not a great cap hit but for teams not up against the cap... he's only owed 3.6M over two years. Pretty good value for a 25 yr old nhl dman. He'd fetch draft picks if he were traded.
- The Law

No it’s not. If he’s a bottom pairing/7th guy the average is around $1.3 million. He is WAY overpaid for a job that he not only doesn’t do (plays physical) and also only for the bottom pairing. He’s not even getting PP time now.

He’s way overpaid, and teams like leafs who over-invite the number of players to camp to reset the team routinely pump guys like him off once the new coach has decided not to use him regularly.

No it’s not. If he’s a bottom pairing/7th guy the average is around $1.3 million. He is WAY overpaid for a job that he not only does (plays physical) and only for the bottom pairing. He’s not even getting PP time now.

He’s way overpaid, and teams like leafs who over-invite the number of players to camp to reset the team routinely pump guys like him off once the new coach has decided not to use him regularly.
- Dozzer

Lilly hasn't been a 7th guy in 4 years. I'm not a big fan but he's fine as a bottom pairing guy ( I was very vocal about trading him before he got paid this summer). 1.8M for a 25 yr old bottom pairing guy is not a problem.

Look around the league at every teams #5 guys (and many teams #4 guys) ....they're not special ..and not that much different than Lilly. Most teams are 3 deep ...a few are 4 deep.

Best sports movie of all time.
- GalacticStone

Darned rite it is

Runners up: Major League and Sudden Death

Lilly hasn't been a 7th guy in 4 years. I'm not a big fan but he's fine as a bottom pairing guy ( I was very vocal about trading him before he got paid this summer). 1.8M for a 25 yr old bottom pairing guy is not a problem.

Look around the league at every teams #5 guys (and many teams #4 guys) ....they're not special ..and not that much different than Lilly. Most teams are 3 deep ...a few are 4 deep.
- The Law

Yeah Liljregren is paid accordingly and has the potential as a 25 year old to build on it.


He is worth a 2nd round pick.

Utah has Villimaki on their 2nd pairinf RHD right now.

The simplist thing to do here is Utah trade back the leafs 2nd round pick this year, and maybe another mid round pick.

Lilly hasn't been a 7th guy in 4 years. I'm not a big fan but he's fine as a bottom pairing guy ( I was very vocal about trading him before he got paid this summer). 1.8M for a 25 yr old bottom pairing guy is not a problem.

Look around the league at every teams #5 guys (and many teams #4 guys) ....they're not special ..and not that much different than Lilly. Most teams are 3 deep ...a few are 4 deep.
- The Law

I’m not against Liljegren even though he doesn’t play the new coaches game worth a poop, but he’s WAY overpriced for the roll of a bottom pairing guy. Also if they want to sign Pacioretty and Lorentz AND make space for Hakanpaa (him and Jarnkrok are supposed to be playing before the end of camp so drop the LTIR fantasy) they need about $2.5 million in space.

Hence get rid of the way overpaid bottom pairing non-physical garbage. Seriously, at least a decent non-physical player is a threat offensively, not Liljegren, he only averages about a point every three games, and that will drop down further without playoff time.

Yeah Liljregren is paid accordingly and has the potential as a 25 year old to build on it.


He is worth a 2nd round pick.

Utah has Villimaki on their 2nd pairinf RHD right now.

The simplist thing to do here is Utah trade back the leafs 2nd round pick this year, and maybe another mid round pick.
- Santo_44

A $3 mill bottom pairing guy who only got a P every 3 games when he got PP time is not worth a 2nd.

Keep dreaming though.

No it’s not. If he’s a bottom pairing/7th guy the average is around $1.3 million. He is WAY overpaid for a job that he not only doesn’t do (plays physical) and also only for the bottom pairing. He’s not even getting PP time now.

He’s way overpaid, and teams like leafs who over-invite the number of players to camp to reset the team routinely pump guys like him off once the new coach has decided not to use him regularly.
- Dozzer

If you think Lilly is an 'average' NHL defenseman then he is actually underpaid....

https://www.gaimday.com/blog/average-nhl-salary/

He may be overpaid but he's not WAY overpaid (maybe by half a million but then you have to layer in his age and the fact he's a RHD) according to this:

https://www.nytimes.com/a...ee-agency-contract-guide/

Yeah Liljregren is paid accordingly and has the potential as a 25 year old to build on it.


He is worth a 2nd round pick.

Utah has Villimaki on their 2nd pairinf RHD right now.

The simplist thing to do here is Utah trade back the leafs 2nd round pick this year, and maybe another mid round pick.
- Santo_44

This. Just do this and get the Cap space and pick.

I’m not against Liljegren even though he doesn’t play the new coaches game worth a poop, but he’s WAY overpriced for the roll of a bottom pairing guy. Also if they want to sign Pacioretty and Lorentz AND make space for Hakanpaa (him and Jarnkrok are supposed to be playing before the end of camp so drop the LTIR fantasy) they need about $2.5 million in space.

Hence get rid of the way overpaid bottom pairing non-physical garbage. Seriously, at least a decent non-physical player is a threat offensively, not Liljegren, he only averages about a point every three games, and that will drop down further without playoff time.
- Dozzer

Ok.

Liljegren was 58th in P/60 last year of all D men.

Given the easy math 6x32 thats 58 out of 192 D men.

Saying Liljregren is not a fit is fine and dandy, but to say he is bad and not worth his 3M is silly and is not using any facts to support it whatsoever.

I’m not against Liljegren even though he doesn’t play the new coaches game worth a poop, but he’s WAY overpriced for the roll of a bottom pairing guy. Also if they want to sign Pacioretty and Lorentz AND make space for Hakanpaa (him and Jarnkrok are supposed to be playing before the end of camp so drop the LTIR fantasy) they need about $2.5 million in space.

Hence get rid of the way overpaid bottom pairing non-physical garbage. Seriously, at least a decent non-physical player is a threat offensively, not Liljegren, he only averages about a point every three games, and that will drop down further without playoff time.
- Dozzer

If Hakanpaa is ready to go, and they want to carry 14F then they'll need to chop about $1M (not 2.65) b/c Dewar is likely headed for LTIR and Rifai will get waived.

If they can find a trade for Lilly that makes sense (Kings?) then go for it but the point is they don't have to ...they've got time to make sure everyone's healthy and time to get an extended look at some of these guys in regular season.

A $3 mill bottom pairing guy who only got a P every 3 games when he got PP time is not worth a 2nd.

Keep dreaming though.
- Dozzer

he was 58th out of all D in points per 60.

And being able to play PP is a skill man, like what.

Care go wager then?

This. Just do this and get the Cap space and pick.
- Snot Dillingham

Ok.

Liljegren was 58th in P/60 last year of all D men.

Given the easy math 6x32 thats 58 out of 192 D men.

Saying Liljregren is not a fit is fine and dandy, but to say he is bad and not worth his 3M is silly and is not using any facts to support it whatsoever.
- Santo_44

it's always nice to have the P/60 when everything else fails eh

If Hakanpaa is ready to go, and they want to carry 14F then they'll need to chop about $1M (not 2.65) b/c Dewar is likely headed for LTIR and Rifai will get waived.

If they can find a trade for Lilly that makes sense (Kings?) then go for it but the point is they don't have to ...they've got time to make sure everyone's healthy and time to get an extended look at some of these guys in regular season.
- The Law

Like I’ve said, it won’t be til the end of camp and there will be moves, they’re not going to drop the guy they signed who, by the coach speaking it, will be ready by the end of camp. I also think Rifai gets signed.

As for Rifai he is already a non roster cap hit for now so he has nothing to do with them being over by a million.

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- dmnted

Ah yes, thanks for jogging ye ol' memory

he was 58th out of all D in points per 60.

And being able to play PP is a skill man, like what.

Care go wager then?
- Santo_44

They don’t need points, they have Rielly and OEL for that now. Glad you guys are so obsessed with offence.

Like I’ve said, it won’t be til the end of camp and there will be moves, they’re not going to drop the guy they signed who, by the coach speaking it, will be ready by the end of camp. I also think Rifai gets signed.

As for Rifai he is already a non roster cap hit for now so he has nothing to do with them being over by a million.
- Dozzer

he is already signed for 2 years

They don’t need points, they have Rielly and OEL for that now. Glad you guys are so obsessed with offence.
- Dozzer

holy (frank)

If you think Lilly is an 'average' NHL defenseman then he is actually underpaid....

https://www.gaimday.com/blog/average-nhl-salary/

He may be overpaid but he's not WAY overpaid (maybe by half a million but then you have to layer in his age and the fact he's a RHD) according to this:

https://www.nytimes.com/a...ee-agency-contract-guide/
- Cush29

Look up bottom pairing and 7th guys and yes, he’s way overpaid.

If he was still mod pairing I’d agree with you but he’s been replaced.

holy (frank)
- Santo_44

Yeah you are monotonous as (frank)