First and last contradict quite a bit
- ClaudeFather

It would seem that way. I did not say who the two D-men are though. I think Ersson is going to have a very good season and they will score more. Ultimately they will land in almost the same spot in the standings.

Some of those who frequent this forum are absolutely hopeless. I read almost every day that "its not a rebuild", "Flyers goona Flyer", "Why is Nick D on this team", etc. etc.

Now the Flyers come into the season starting an 18 year old kid at 3C and a 19 year old 1st round pick starting at wing on the first line. And best of all, Nick D is the 14th forward! Yet all I see on this forum is more negativity. It never stops!
- jd250

A bunch of truth..but it’s still not a rebuild.

Good for Jett. Seems he made an impression on the coach and management. Worse case, he gets sent back to a bad junior team, with invaluable experience of what he needs to work on. I have no idea why people have an issue with this.
- mikeyo27

Does he need to play a few regular season games to learn what he has to work on? What is a coaching staff for?

Does he need to play a few regular season games to learn what he has to work on? What is a coaching staff for?
- MJL

Honestly, the premise of that question makes no sense. The mere suggestion that being coached by NHL coaches, fostering professional relationships with one’s teammates, training with the other players and trainers, traveling and practicing with the team, and playing meaningful games in the most elite league on the planet would not be conducive to a young players growth, is perplexing.

I get it that so many people just have to be right on this site but there isn’t any drawback to this. The real question is “what harm can come from this”? Only upside here.

Some of those who frequent this forum are absolutely hopeless. I read almost every day that "its not a rebuild", "Flyers goona Flyer", "Why is Nick D on this team", etc. etc.

Now the Flyers come into the season starting an 18 year old kid at 3C and a 19 year old 1st round pick starting at wing on the first line. And best of all, Nick D is the 14th forward! Yet all I see on this forum is more negativity. It never stops!
- jd250

You are missing any context or perspective.

1. The 18 yr old kid has not met the criteria traditionally used to get the 9 game trial or god forbid stick with the big club the entire year.
2. Nic D is still on the team and still taking a roster spot.
3. The team has shown no deviation from putting all it's eggs in one basket, every year, to make a cup run. That is their goal once again this year.
4. Torts, who publicly derides analytics, coaches from his gut, and loves to publicly humiliate players until they confront him is still here.
5. The PP coach who has been historically bad, as in nobody has done it worse in the history of the NHL, is still guaranteed his job and rather than turn to analytics they want to have a few meetings about it.
6. They still over rate their own prospects.
7. Torts doesn't believe in systems or understand offensive.
8. Torts facilitated the trade for Drysdale touting him as best thing since sliced bread and then a month later complained about how much he still had to learn on defense. This crack talent scout was also involved with the TDA acquisition and the driver behind Jett being on the team.

As one prominent person said :

Tortorella's way is to give his golden boys lots and lots of rope. He loves those "two-way players" without much on the offensive side of "two-way". His whipping boys get very littl rope. He goes by his gut and tends to be rather fickle and emotion-driven. It's how he's always been. He'll give lip service til the cows come home about not stifling offense... but then he'll stifle offense.

Jett is just the latest "golden boy" who is already getting rope nobody else would get and that's not a good way to coach a team.

I probably missed some points but that should address your complaint.

I think everyone is looking forward to seeing Michkov play though so there is that.

(frank)ing waaaaah! waaaaah!

😂

You guys are (frank)ing losers

The kids had one halfway decent junior season in his entire life and because he skates hard he makes an NHL team. Just outrageous, he just broke out of his shell as a player not even a year ago. Go figure it out in Guelph. Him treading water in the NHL is stupid.
- ClaudeFather

Maybe Frost can learn a thing or two. It’s just outrageous he’s even a pro athlete

I am happy to see that Brink seems to be getting a look at least to start the season. I thought for sure he was going to be an odd man out. Especially after The Room and TK were not traded.

If he is not good enough to earn a spot and not just a few games towards the 9 game trial, what is there to gain from that? What is there to lose from doing that? If that is what they're doing.
- MJL

Use your brain and try to answer your own questions once in a while.

A lot to gain.

“his confidence will be shot” is the biggest crock of sh!t I’ve ever heard in regards to the “downside”

Some of those who frequent this forum are absolutely hopeless. I read almost every day that "its not a rebuild", "Flyers goona Flyer", "Why is Nick D on this team", etc. etc.

Now the Flyers come into the season starting an 18 year old kid at 3C and a 19 year old 1st round pick starting at wing on the first line. And best of all, Nick D is the 14th forward! Yet all I see on this forum is more negativity. It never stops!
- jd250

“Ginning and Attard need a longer look” 😂

Honestly, the premise of that question makes no sense. The mere suggestion that being coached by NHL coaches, fostering professional relationships with one’s teammates, training with the other players and trainers, traveling and practicing with the team, and playing meaningful games in the most elite league on the planet would not be conducive to a young players growth, is perplexing.

I get it that so many people just have to be right on this site but there isn’t any drawback to this. The real question is “what harm can come from this”? Only upside here.
- mikeyo27

The downside is he gets hurt. A potential downside is that once the season starts and he is playing against grown men who many are also fast skaters and stronger are going to manhandle the kid. He gets overwhelmed then gets scratched for a game or two then sent back to his junior team.
if that were to happen JL would have to have strong mental fortitude to become a stronger and smarter player.
One would hope the flyers believe he can handle the adversity because it will come.

any predictions for the upcoming year?
- hello it's me 2050

Fedotov will make the first save but, in doing so, take himself out of the play and get scored on from 2nd and 3rd chances all year.

Honestly, the premise of that question makes no sense. The mere suggestion that being coached by NHL coaches, fostering professional relationships with one’s teammates, training with the other players and trainers, traveling and practicing with the team, and playing meaningful games in the most elite league on the planet would not be conducive to a young players growth, is perplexing.

I get it that so many people just have to be right on this site but there isn’t any drawback to this. The real question is “what harm can come from this”? Only upside here.
- mikeyo27

Actually it's you that is not making sense. As if I said that there can be no benefit of him playing NHL games. Which I did not. Your premise to me suggests that he has to play in regular season NHL games to learn what he has to work on. As if he ;couldn't have learned that in the pre season or from the coaching staff without playing in the regular season. Have you ever heard the adage that you can't hurt a player by sending him back but you can by rushing him? Any idea what that's about?

The downside is he gets hurt. A potential downside is that once the season starts and he is playing against grown men who many are also fast skaters and stronger are going to manhandle the kid. He gets overwhelmed then gets scratched for a game or two then sent back to his junior team.
if that were to happen JL would have to have strong mental fortitude to become a stronger and smarter player.
One would hope the flyers believe he can handle the adversity because it will come.
- bird_dog_pa

poor thing

Actually it's you that is not making sense. As if I said that there can be no benefit of him playing NHL games. Which I did not. Your premise to me suggests that he has to play in regular season NHL games to learn what he has to work on. As if he ;couldn't have learned that in the pre season or from the coaching staff without playing in the regular season. Have you ever heard the adage that you can't hurt a player by sending him back but you can by rushing him? Any idea what that's about?
- MJL

Maybe we should give Attard a longer look 😆

Actually it's you that is not making sense. As if I said that there can be no benefit of him playing NHL games. Which I did not. Your premise to me suggests that he has to play in regular season NHL games to learn what he has to work on. As if he ;couldn't have learned that in the pre season or from the coaching staff without playing in the regular season. Have you ever heard the adage that you can't hurt a player by sending him back but you can by rushing him? Any idea what that's about?
- MJL

😩
Impossible

The way Bill has it listed Cates is the 14th forward
- corduroy

In his previous post, Bull had ND listed as the 14th forward, but who cares, in the end he's not playing, and thats a good thing!

once again you seem to confuse realism with being negative.
- hello it's me 2050

No, this is the reality. Coaches that know a lot more about hockey than you or I want to give Luchanko a 9 game tryout. I think this is a good thing. It will only help the kid learn more as he develops this year.

Fedotov will make the first save but, in doing so, take himself out of the play and get scored on from 2nd and 3rd chances all year.
- anti-lame

After watching a bit and hearing Bill's take, I am concerned about how he's played. Kolosov may well get his chance sooner than later.

Actually it's you that is not making sense. As if I said that there can be no benefit of him playing NHL games. Which I did not. Your premise to me suggests that he has to play in regular season NHL games to learn what he has to work on. As if he ;couldn't have learned that in the pre season or from the coaching staff without playing in the regular season. Have you ever heard the adage that you can't hurt a player by sending him back but you can by rushing him? Any idea what that's about?
- MJL

not all preseason games have 18 skaters who are nhl players. maybe they want to see how he adapts to that then devise a plan if he is sent back to juniors.

any predictions for the upcoming year?
- hello it's me 2050

A lot of alcohol, most likely

No, this is the reality. Coaches that know a lot more about hockey than you or I want to give Luchanko a 9 game tryout. I think this is a good thing. It will only help the kid learn more as he develops this year.
- jd250

none of this changes anything in regard to the 3 stooges. I am not even talking specifically about the jett.

In his previous post, Bull had ND listed as the 14th forward, but who cares, in the end he's not playing, and thats a good thing!
- jd250

waive him bank cap space

I pray this isn't another luca sbisa poop show. Oh he's such a good skater and he's on really good shape so lets give him the 9 games. He did so well in the 9 games lets just keep him up and the rest is history.


Smart play is him going to junior team and getting 9 games next year when he has physically grown. His skating will help him but nhl has fast skater who hit and he isn't built to take hits from nhl players.

This is torts trying to ice the best team regardless of what is good for the players development.

You are missing any context or perspective.

1. The 18 yr old kid has not met the criteria traditionally used to get the 9 game trial or god forbid stick with the big club the entire year.
2. Nic D is still on the team and still taking a roster spot.
3. The team has shown no deviation from putting all it's eggs in one basket, every year, to make a cup run. That is their goal once again this year.
4. Torts, who publicly derides analytics, coaches from his gut, and loves to publicly humiliate players until they confront him is still here.
5. The PP coach who has been historically bad, as in nobody has done it worse in the history of the NHL, is still guaranteed his job and rather than turn to analytics they want to have a few meetings about it.
6. They still over rate their own prospects.
7. Torts doesn't believe in systems or understand offensive.
8. Torts facilitated the trade for Drysdale touting him as best thing since sliced bread and then a month later complained about how much he still had to learn on defense. This crack talent scout was also involved with the TDA acquisition and the driver behind Jett being on the team.


- Flyers_01

But who are you to make this statement? How many NHL games have you played? How many hockey games have you coached? How many NHL players have you developed? I didn't see enough from Luchanko to think he should start with the team this year either, especially after the Bruins game the other night where I thought he looked overwhelmed. However I have to remember that how people like Torts watch a game or a player is very different that the way I might watch as a fan. How I perceive a player is completely irrelevant. What matters is what Torts and Briere's criteria is for a player to be part of the team. And the reality is, in their professional judgement as NHL coaches, former players and executives, Luchanko has met the criteria for at least a 9 game tryout. As fans, let's just enjoy it and see how it goes. I am personally excited to get the chance to watch him play and see how he does. Hoping he does a lot better than the game the other night that I witnessed, but then again the entire sucked for most of it.