I mean I get it. I'm not really opposed to it, but it's just so early in the year. They don't even look terrible, they just can't score a single goal every other game

Unless they have a major turnaround (not expecting it) they can't fumble the ball with Nelson and Palmieri. Those are their opportunities to help expedite a rebuild. If they hang onto them for some hairbrained attempt at a "playoff push" that will result in another 5-6 game loss in the first round they are adding years onto a rebuild.
- eichiefs9

Can’t score every other game is 500 hockey numbers. That’s about where the team has been the last few years. Still too early, but I guess that’s been the trend. 500 hockey

The PP needs to score. That’s the difference

That's the frustrating part. Last year, they were unwatchable for 3/4 of any given game...beat to every puck, bonehead mistakes, no offensive pressure, no speed, and no energy. Then they'd discover how to play hockey late in the third and come up short.

This season hasn't been like that. I think they've looked pretty good, and I haven't found myself looking for other things to do while the game's on in the background like last year. There's just no finish, unfortunately, which I guess is just a different way of getting to the same old result unless they figure it out.
- UIF

Yeah, the moral victory of "we played very well but just didn't get the bounces" only lasts for so long before nobody wants to hear that anymore. In that interview with Lou that they aired last night he said (I'm paraphrasing) that they played very well against the Stars even though they didn't score. Same thing was said about St. Louis, and now last night they played well again and...didn't score. They've been shutout twice by back-up goaltenders.

Eventually you really can't say you "played well" but didn't score a single goal and I kinda feel like we're already at that point.

Yeah, the moral victory of "we played very well but just didn't get the bounces" only lasts for so long before nobody wants to hear that anymore. In that interview with Lou that they aired last night he said (I'm paraphrasing) that they played very well against the Stars even though they didn't score. Same thing was said about St. Louis, and now last night they played well again and...didn't score. They've been shutout twice by back-up goaltenders.

Eventually you really can't say you "played well" but didn't score a single goal and I kinda feel like we're already at that point.
- eichiefs9

Agreed. If this continues, I really hope ownership doesn’t do the lazy thing and keep things status quo. I love Lou and certainly respect his history, but you can’t be a perennial 500 club.
If you look at the Rangers, they re built in 5 years. They went deep last year and started off this year en fuego. That’s the result of a good team. Consistency. The isles are NEVER consistent.

Yeah, the moral victory of "we played very well but just didn't get the bounces" only lasts for so long before nobody wants to hear that anymore. In that interview with Lou that they aired last night he said (I'm paraphrasing) that they played very well against the Stars even though they didn't score. Same thing was said about St. Louis, and now last night they played well again and...didn't score. They've been shutout twice by back-up goaltenders.

Eventually you really can't say you "played well" but didn't score a single goal and I kinda feel like we're already at that point.
- eichiefs9

This is the Islander mantra. Being a mid-team and getting bounced in the 1st round is good enough. The Cap is not high enough and taxes prevent us from signing quality UFA's.

Agreed. If this continues, I really hope ownership doesn’t do the lazy thing and keep things status quo. I love Lou and certainly respect his history, but you can’t be a perennial 500 club.
If you look at the Rangers, they re built in 5 years. They went deep last year and started off this year en fuego. That’s the result of a good team. Consistency. The isles are NEVER consistent.
- kindlyrick

it's like the Jets in football. You need to do a proper build and cannot just add names. Rangers did the smart thing and now are rewarded. Islanders can have done this 3 years ago when they let Barry go.

it's like the Jets in football. You need to do a proper build and cannot just add names. Rangers did the smart thing and now are rewarded. Islanders can have done this 3 years ago when they let Barry go.
- ses111

Truth is the Rangers had the assets to move for high picks and prospects. If the isles are 500 by the deadline I think you have to unload. That includes management as well

This is the Islander mantra. Being a mid-team and getting bounced in the 1st round is good enough. The Cap is not high enough and taxes prevent us from signing quality UFA's.
- ses111

The isles mantra is Holmstrom, who couldn’t make the team for multiple years is now on the first line. That’s the isles in a nutshell

Truth is the Rangers had the assets to move for high picks and prospects. If the isles are 500 by the deadline I think you have to unload. That includes management as well
- kindlyrick

Nelson could be one of the most highly-coveted deadline acquisitions if he's made available. His contract isn't big and he becomes insanely marketable if the Islanders agree to eat half of his cap hit.

Depending on Palmieri's season, he could be a real solid piece as well. If he is on pace for 30 goals I could easily see a team flipping a 1st rounder for him. He's currently on pace for 27g and the Isles haven't scored any in 3 out of 6 games.

They have the chance to potentially add a 1st and a real good prospect from Nelson and a 1st from Palmieri. Maybe Palmieri's season tails off and he's worth something like a 2nd and 3rd, which is still valuable.

https://x.com/swedishisla...tatus/1848794702809829447

Team is OLD, SLOW and zero PHYSICALITY = BORING HOCKEY !

The isles mantra is Holmstrom, who couldn’t make the team for multiple years is now on the first line. That’s the isles in a nutshell
- kindlyrick

Holmstrom has talent but no aggression and does not take advantage of chances like many Islander prospects.

Holmstrom has talent but no aggression and does not take advantage of chances like many Islander prospects.
- ses111

Holmstrom doesn’t sniff the first line on any other NHL team.

Nelson could be one of the most highly-coveted deadline acquisitions if he's made available. His contract isn't big and he becomes insanely marketable if the Islanders agree to eat half of his cap hit.

Depending on Palmieri's season, he could be a real solid piece as well. If he is on pace for 30 goals I could easily see a team flipping a 1st rounder for him. He's currently on pace for 27g and the Isles haven't scored any in 3 out of 6 games.

They have the chance to potentially add a 1st and a real good prospect from Nelson and a 1st from Palmieri. Maybe Palmieri's season tails off and he's worth something like a 2nd and 3rd, which is still valuable.
- eichiefs9

Agreed on all. Again though if they’re sellers at the deadline, I don’t think Lou should be involved in a rebuild and I truly believe the isles would be better off re vamping management and player development.
I can’t imagine Roy is thrilled with not picking his assistants. No ones discussed it, but it’s always Lou’s former Devils

Agreed on all. Again though if they’re sellers at the deadline, I don’t think Lou should be involved in a rebuild and I truly believe the isles would be better off re vamping management and player development.
I can’t imagine Roy is thrilled with not picking his assistants. No ones discussed it, but it’s always Lou’s former Devils
- kindlyrick

While I definitely don't disagree one bit about Lou and a potential rebuild, the reality is that GM changes almost never happen in-season.

Lou can handle selling them at the deadline if that's what our situation calls for, but after that they need to bring in someone that is capable of rebuilding the pipeline.

I mean I get it. I'm not really opposed to it, but it's just so early in the year. They don't even look terrible, they just can't score a single goal every other game

Unless they have a major turnaround (not expecting it) they can't fumble the ball with Nelson and Palmieri. Those are their opportunities to help expedite a rebuild. If they hang onto them for some hairbrained attempt at a "playoff push" that will result in another 5-6 game loss in the first round they are adding years onto a rebuild.
- eichiefs9

I just have a hard time understanding why anyone, including Lou, can’t acknowledge the obvious. This isn’t a competitive team. They haven’t been for some time. Adding Anthony Duclair disregarding his injury didn’t change that.

That’s not going to change mid season so it’s not to early to say this.

Agreed. If this continues, I really hope ownership doesn’t do the lazy thing and keep things status quo. I love Lou and certainly respect his history, but you can’t be a perennial 500 club.
If you look at the Rangers, they re built in 5 years. They went deep last year and started off this year en fuego. That’s the result of a good team. Consistency. The isles are NEVER consistent.
- kindlyrick

The rangers also landed fox and panarin because they only wanted to play there and I don't see anyone only wanting to play for the isles unless they started their career here. I should add guys that get 6 year deals for no reason like engvall will come here but who else is offering that?

While I definitely don't disagree one bit about Lou and a potential rebuild, the reality is that GM changes almost never happen in-season.

Lou can handle selling them at the deadline if that's what our situation calls for, but after that they need to bring in someone that is capable of rebuilding the pipeline.
- eichiefs9

Yeah that’s what I meant. I’m fine with Lou selling assets at the deadline if that’s where we are. But, if that is the case, a complete re tool of management should follow. Starting with a new president and a new GM

The rangers also landed fox and panarin because they only wanted to play there and I don't see anyone only wanting to play for the isles unless they started their career here. I should add guys that get 6 year deals for no reason like engvall will come here but who else is offering that?
- Upstate_isles

This is why the Islander need to do a proper build and if they are knocking on the door, they may have better luck in signing UFA's. It was obvious not just the Coli that was the issue.

Yeah that’s what I meant. I’m fine with Lou selling assets at the deadline if that’s where we are. But, if that is the case, a complete re tool of management should follow. Starting with a new president and a new GM
- kindlyrick

It cannot be delayed any longer. Lou had his team and made the calls. Time for someone else.

The rangers also landed fox and panarin because they only wanted to play there and I don't see anyone only wanting to play for the isles unless they started their career here. I should add guys that get 6 year deals for no reason like engvall will come here but who else is offering that?
- Upstate_isles

Rangers gave up a second for Fox. That’s just a great phucking trade for the Rags. Panarin was a UFA signing. I get that he didn’t want the isles but rather manhattan, but that signing gives them a major asset.
Their rebuild started with them trading Nash (acquired via free agency) and Callahan. The full rebuild was when the Rangers unloaded Zuccarello, McDonough, and JT Miller. These are prudent GM moves. This isn’t players choice, this is just good old fashioned asset management.

It cannot be delayed any longer. Lou had his team and made the calls. Time for someone else.
- ses111

I’m not ready to throw in the towel this early in the season. But the trend is this team isn’t a serious contender and a perennial bubble team. If that’s the case at the deadline you unload Nelson, Palms, Cizikas, Pulock……etc. To me, everyone is available for the right price

Rangers gave up a second for Fox. That’s just a great phucking trade for the Rags. Panarin was a UFA signing. I get that he didn’t want the isles but rather manhattan, but that signing gives them a major asset.
Their rebuild started with them trading Nash (acquired via free agency) and Callahan. The full rebuild was when the Rangers unloaded Zuccarello, McDonough, and JT Miller. These are prudent GM moves. This isn’t players choice, this is just good old fashioned asset management.
- kindlyrick

I wouldn't really give Gorton/NYR any credit for the Fox trade. He literally said he wouldn't sign anywhere but there and was about to be a college UFA so he could pick wherever he went no matter what. Frankly, I'd give CGY more credit for actually getting a decent pick for him when they had no leverage.

I wouldn't really give Gorton/NYR any credit for the Fox trade. He literally said he wouldn't sign anywhere but there and was about to be a college UFA so he could pick wherever he went no matter what. Frankly, I'd give CGY more credit for actually getting a decent pick for him when they had no leverage.
- eichiefs9

Fair point, but there’s many pieces to their rebuild. That’s just one of many good additions.
The credit should be given for the addition of McDonough for an aging overpaid Gomez, and Callahan for St Louis

Rangers gave up a second for Fox. That’s just a great phucking trade for the Rags. Panarin was a UFA signing. I get that he didn’t want the isles but rather manhattan, but that signing gives them a major asset.
Their rebuild started with them trading Nash (acquired via free agency) and Callahan. The full rebuild was when the Rangers unloaded Zuccarello, McDonough, and JT Miller. These are prudent GM moves. This isn’t players choice, this is just good old fashioned asset management.
- kindlyrick

Fox only wantwd to play there so yes they gave up a second but the team had all the leverage and yes panarin came as a ufa but that's where he wanted to be because it's the rangers. Yes they made great moves as well but those are theor two best players not named Igor

Fox only wantwd to play there so yes they gave up a second but the team had all the leverage and yes panarin came as a ufa but that's where he wanted to be because it's the rangers. Yes they made great moves as well but those are theor two best players not named Igor
- Upstate_isles

I get it, but the organization as a whole has a history of better asset management. That’s my only point.