9:35 p.m. ET
Montreal has called in to say they may be calling a major on Jacob Trouba for his monster hit on Justin Barron.
Barron remains down as they have gone to a television timeout.
There is no penalty for Trouba's hit. Mike Matheson received an instigator minor for going after Trouba after the hit. They both got five minutes for fighting.
But here in the Situation Room, all agreed it was a good, clean hit by Trouba and that Barron needs to recognize he's vulnerable to be hit in that position and needs to be prepared for it.
Rob Shick, the officiating manager working the Situation Room tonight, then got on the headset with Marc Joannette, who is the officiating manager working the game at Bell Centre, to tell him that during the next break get on the phone with the on-ice officials and let them know that it was looked at multiple times here in the Situation Room and all agreed with their decision in real time to not give Trouba a penalty for the hit.
Shick said it's good to let the officials on the ice know in real time that the call they made was the right call. He said it gives them the confidence to know they're doing a good job and to keep doing it even as coaches, in this case Martin St. Louis of the Canadiens, are yelling at them and players are emotional in the moment too.
I get that players need to protect themselves accordingly and be aware of their surroundings at all times, but the way this is described, the player that is giving the hit has zero responsibilities, which to me is completely ridiculous. if you're responsible to what happens because of your stick, like for a high-sticking penalty to the face, then you should be responsible of what happens because of your shoulders and elbows.
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Oct 23 @ 9:21 AM ET
yeah, difficult to rule these, it's rarely black or white. we want clean hits, but then we don't want hits to the head, they need to protect players' health.
or not.
I don't watch football, I know they have a rule to protect the QB. does the rule say something if the QB puts himself in a vulnerable position? or a hit to the head is a hit to the head, period? - fidopro
The rule of the QB is for when he's in the pocket and a players hits him late or brings him down with excessive force.
All hits to the head can be called QB or not.
But even then if you come in and lower your head right before the hit then it's not a hit to the head.
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Oct 23 @ 9:27 AM ET
I get that players need to protect themselves accordingly and be aware of their surroundings at all times, but the way this is described, the player that is giving the hit has zero responsibilities, which to me is completely ridiculous. if you're responsible to what happens because of your stick, like for a high-sticking penalty to the face, then you should be responsible of what happens because of your shoulders and elbows. - Pat1993
Yeah you have to be responsible for your stick, but if it's on the follow-thru of a shot or if the other players lowers himself past his hips then if if you hit him in the head with your stick it's not a penalty. So it's responsible at all time with conditions
To me it's the same, yeah I think Trouba was lining him up for a big shot but shoulder to chest, but at the last second you see Barron being over and cutting to the middle, Trouba didn't have time to change level to account for that.
Yeah you have to be responsible for your stick, but if it's on the follow-thru of a shot or if the other players lowers himself past his hips then if if you hit him in the head with your stick it's not a penalty. So it's responsible at all time with conditions
To me it's the same, yeah I think Trouba was lining him up for a big shot but shoulder to chest, but at the last second you see Barron being over and cutting to the middle, Trouba didn't have time to change level to account for that. - Fredo
yeah I'm not seeing that at all. Trouba sees him coming from a mile away, and Barron isn't making himself more vulnerable at the last second or whatever.
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Oct 23 @ 9:36 AM ET
yeah I'm not seeing that at all. Trouba sees him coming from a mile away, and Barron isn't making himself more vulnerable at the last second or whatever. - Pat1993
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Oct 23 @ 9:51 AM ET
- Pat1993
ouch. i think that one should have been a penalty for sure. he's watching him right up until he delivers the hit, then he turns his head to deliver the hit so he should know he's going in high. barron drops his head a few inches right before the hit but just a few inches. that looks like it was gonne be a hit to the head either way, just a few inches apart on the head.
ouch. i think that one should have been a penalty for sure. he's watching him right up until he delivers the hit, then he turns his head to deliver the hit so he should know he's going in high. barron drops his head a few inches right before the hit but just a few inches. that looks like it was gonne be a hit to the head either way, just a few inches apart on the head. - kicksave856
and that's the thing, the line is now completely blurred between what is considered an actual hit to the head, and a hit that wasn't supposed to hit the head but did lol.
again, I get that Barron should've seen Trouba coming his way, but that doesn't mean Trouba has zero responsibility for his actions imho. the league prefers having these big highlight reel hits rather than actually protecting players.
and that's the thing, the line is now completely blurred between what is considered an actual hit to the head, and a hit that wasn't supposed to hit the head but did lol.
again, I get that Barron should've seen Trouba coming his way, but that doesn't mean Trouba has zero responsibility for his actions imho. the league prefers having this big highlight reel hits rather than actually protecting players. - Pat1993
I think it's a case where you can argue reckless but no intent to injure, because he could have easily targeted the shoulder. I could see an argument for a couple of games, but it's not like we have any influence.
I think it's a case where you can argue reckless but no intent to injure, because he could have easily targeted the shoulder. I could see an argument for a couple of games, but it's not like we have any influence. - jugkope
yeah, I think intent should be left out of the equation as much as possible since it isn't something that can actually be measured, but I get what you're saying.
and obviously no, we have zero influence on the matter, and it seems it's gonna take a player getting paralyzed or something even worse for things to change.
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Oct 23 @ 10:29 AM ET
ouch. i think that one should have been a penalty for sure. he's watching him right up until he delivers the hit, then he turns his head to deliver the hit so he should know he's going in high. barron drops his head a few inches right before the hit but just a few inches. that looks like it was gonne be a hit to the head either way, just a few inches apart on the head. - kicksave856
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Oct 23 @ 10:33 AM ET
Clean hit per the NHL. Peace and Love - AGalchenyuk27
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