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Trox88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.12.2020

Oct 25 @ 12:16 PM ET
Having Luchanko scratched 3 times in 7 games is just wrong. Sure 2 of those are back to back and an argument could be made about not trying to tax him physically. The organization by now scratching him a 3rd time without the benefit of the excuse of back to back is showing a belief that an 18 yr will get better quicker no matter what role in the NHL as opposed going back to the OHL and play in all situations. I'll go very simplistic with this analysis- Jett has played 3 games in the NHL, Guelph has played 9 games. Sorry, I believe a player gets better by regular season games against competition that is somewhat formidable to the prospect. I like Jett as a prospect, he needs to play in the OHL.
Flyfly
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wyomissing, PA
Joined: 06.23.2017

Oct 25 @ 12:19 PM ET
That's the issue. A coach should certainly have input but there shouldn't be any debate. There should be a clear hierarchy in place but with the Flyers. There isn't. It's flawed from conception.
- MJL


100 %
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 25 @ 12:19 PM ET
Having Luchanko scratched 3 times in 7 games is just wrong. Sure 2 of those are back to back and an argument could be made about not trying to tax him physically. The organization by now scratching him a 3rd time without the benefit of the excuse of back to back is showing a belief that an 18 yr will get better quicker no matter what role in the NHL as opposed going back to the OHL and play in all situations. I'll go very simplistic with this analysis- Jett has played 3 games in the NHL, Guelph has played 9 games. Sorry, I believe a player gets better by regular season games against competition that is somewhat formidable to the prospect. I like Jett as a prospect, he needs to play in the OHL.
- Trox88


He's not getting the reps he needs in the NHL to work on the areas of his game that he needs to improve on. Whether in the lineup or out of it. It is malfeasance on the Flyers part. I'm sure Tortorella has him working on his defensive tracking in practice.
Flyfly
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wyomissing, PA
Joined: 06.23.2017

Oct 25 @ 12:19 PM ET
Having Luchanko scratched 3 times in 7 games is just wrong. Sure 2 of those are back to back and an argument could be made about not trying to tax him physically. The organization by now scratching him a 3rd time without the benefit of the excuse of back to back is showing a belief that an 18 yr will get better quicker no matter what role in the NHL as opposed going back to the OHL and play in all situations. I'll go very simplistic with this analysis- Jett has played 3 games in the NHL, Guelph has played 9 games. Sorry, I believe a player gets better by regular season games against competition that is somewhat formidable to the prospect. I like Jett as a prospect, he needs to play in the OHL.
- Trox88


Absolutely - well said. Simple as that.
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Oct 25 @ 12:20 PM ET
Neither Cam York nor Travis Konecny practiced on Friday. Defense pairs rotated. Forward combinations were as follows:

Brink-Couturier-Michkov
Tippett-Frost-Hathaway
Laughton-Poehling-Foerster
Deslauriers-Cates-Farabee
Luchanko (extra)

- bmeltzer


(frank)ing dumb
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Oct 25 @ 12:21 PM ET
Just looking at the schedule, games 8-15, the Flyers might not win any of these games, except maybe against Montreal. This season could be over very quickly if the Flyers don't turn things around quickly.
- jd250


If you think they will go 1-7 in their next 8 games how can you say they are a better team than their record?
Flyfly
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wyomissing, PA
Joined: 06.23.2017

Oct 25 @ 12:23 PM ET
If you think they will go 1-7 in their next 8 games how can you say they are a better team than their record?
- corduroy



b/c Jack Adams Torts says so
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Oct 25 @ 12:23 PM ET
Jett will be a fine 3C. If he hits right and can develop an offensive game I think he tops out at a 2C. So they still need to find that true 1C to play MM39. And then we just passed up a chance to draft a potential 1D in Zeev.

But hey, we have all these picks in the next draft!

- Flyfly


$iX p!cK$ DERP
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Oct 25 @ 12:24 PM ET
Just looking at the schedule, games 8-15, the Flyers might not win any of these games, except maybe against Montreal. This season could be over very quickly if the Flyers don't turn things around quickly.
- jd250



Looking at the season, most leafs fans didn't expect the leafs to lose to Columbus.
Flyfly
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wyomissing, PA
Joined: 06.23.2017

Oct 25 @ 12:26 PM ET
$iX p!cK$ DERP
- corduroy


Wooooo!
Flyers_01
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2006

Oct 25 @ 12:33 PM ET
He's not getting the reps he needs in the NHL to work on the areas of his game that he needs to improve on. Whether in the lineup or out of it. It is malfeasance on the Flyers part. I'm sure Tortorella has him working on his defensive tracking in practice.
- MJL


To a lesser extent, Andrae had the same issue.
Dave21Brown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 12.09.2018

Oct 25 @ 12:33 PM ET
"45 years ago today ON THIS DAY in hockey history (October 25, 1979):

The @NHLFlyers sign undrafted free-agent Tim Kerr from the Kingston Canadians in the OHA.
"


One of the greatest goal scorers in Flyer history.

J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Oct 25 @ 12:33 PM ET
This would be my path.

- Make clean break from Torteralla
- Send Luchenko back to jrs
- Briere admit that they made some mistakes in what they thought and will make moves to correct that.

- Start making plans to move vets and money out. Even if it is guys like Tippett and Konecny. I know they were signed long term. So were Pierre Luc-Debuis and Keumpfer. Admit the mistake and move past it.

- Look at deals for Scott "the culture" Laughton
- Decide what the future of Cates is(Center vs Wing, Part of the future or not)
- Send Desluarier to lehigh and let him fight Rempe down there


I do think you can fix it by admitting it was not the right path.

Will they do it........Probably not.
Trox88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.12.2020

Oct 25 @ 12:36 PM ET
He's not getting the reps he needs in the NHL to work on the areas of his game that he needs to improve on. Whether in the lineup or out of it. It is malfeasance on the Flyers part. I'm sure Tortorella has him working on his defensive tracking in practice.
- MJL


I agree, but I will add Briere, Jones, and Hilferty as culprits. New Era of Orange was some cutting edge organizational structure to give the team an advantage. If this collective cannot reign in the desires of one in the collective, the entire collective gets equal share of blame for me.
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Oct 25 @ 12:42 PM ET
when was the last time you ate some gina?
- hello it's me 2050


Flyfly
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wyomissing, PA
Joined: 06.23.2017

Oct 25 @ 12:42 PM ET
I agree, but I will add Briere, Jones, and Hilferty as culprits. New Era of Orange was some cutting edge organizational structure to give the team an advantage. If this collective cannot reign in the desires of one in the collective, the entire collective gets equal share of blame for me.
- Trox88

Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 25 @ 12:45 PM ET
There must be a power struggle going on between Briere and Tortorella right now and this kid is the pawn. It’s the only thing that could make any sense.

Tortorella has bullied Briere since he was the interim GM much to the detriment of his standing in the league. This could end up being very very ugly.

- psuhockey


Briere will lose. Torts and Hilferty are like 🤞
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 25 @ 12:46 PM ET

- mikeyo27



Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 25 @ 12:47 PM ET
The 9 games is not team games. It's games played by Luchanko.
- MJL


Imagine if they kept him on the team all season but only played him 9-games.
Flyfly
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wyomissing, PA
Joined: 06.23.2017

Oct 25 @ 12:47 PM ET

- mikeyo27







corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Oct 25 @ 12:49 PM ET
This would be my path.

- Make clean break from Torteralla
- Send Luchenko back to jrs
- Briere admit that they made some mistakes in what they thought and will make moves to correct that.

- Start making plans to move vets and money out. Even if it is guys like Tippett and Konecny. I know they were signed long term. So were Pierre Luc-Debuis and Keumpfer. Admit the mistake and move past it.

- Look at deals for Scott "The Room™" Laughton
- Decide what the future of Cates is(Center vs Wing, Part of the future or not)
- Send Desluarier to lehigh and let him fight Rempe down there


I do think you can fix it by admitting it was not the right path.

Will they do it........Probably not.

- J35Bacher


FTFY
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Oct 25 @ 12:49 PM ET
This would be my path.

- Make clean break from Torteralla
- Send Luchenko back to jrs
- Briere admit that they made some mistakes in what they thought and will make moves to correct that.

- Start making plans to move vets and money out. Even if it is guys like Tippett and Konecny. I know they were signed long term. So were Pierre Luc-Debuis and Keumpfer. Admit the mistake and move past it.

- Look at deals for Scott "the culture" Laughton
- Decide what the future of Cates is(Center vs Wing, Part of the future or not)
- Send Desluarier to lehigh and let him fight Rempe down there


I do think you can fix it by admitting it was not the right path.

Will they do it........Probably not.

- J35Bacher


It won’t be DB doing any of those things.

To have an 18 year old watching and not playing games is beyond stupid….these are days and games the kid can’t get back. It is such a big year for his development….there is so much there to work with, that this kid could really develop into something special. But the Flyers are doing what they do in butchering the development of their young players.
Flyfly
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wyomissing, PA
Joined: 06.23.2017

Oct 25 @ 12:52 PM ET
"45 years ago today ON THIS DAY in hockey history (October 25, 1979):

The @NHLFlyers sign undrafted free-agent Tim Kerr from the Kingston Canadians in the OHA.
"


One of the greatest goal scorers in Flyer history.


- Dave21Brown


Guy was a beast.

My college roommate rented a house down the shore owned by Tim Kerr. One afternoon we were all playing horse shoes and drinking beers - living the life at the time. Tim Kerr pulls up to check in and see if the house was good and ended up hanging out w us for like 2 hours playing horse shoes. Super down to earth and just a really nice guy.... Something I will remember for my entire life.
Flyfly
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wyomissing, PA
Joined: 06.23.2017

Oct 25 @ 12:52 PM ET
"45 years ago today ON THIS DAY in hockey history (October 25, 1979):

The @NHLFlyers sign undrafted free-agent Tim Kerr from the Kingston Canadians in the OHA.
"


One of the greatest goal scorers in Flyer history.


- Dave21Brown


Guy was a beast.

My college roommate rented a house down the shore owned by Tim Kerr. One afternoon we were all playing horse shoes and drinking beers - living the life at the time. Tim Kerr pulls up to check in and see if the house was good and ended up hanging out w us for like 2 hours playing horse shoes. Super down to earth and just a really nice guy.... Something I will remember for my entire life.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Oct 25 @ 12:53 PM ET
Jett will be a fine 3C. If he hits right and can develop an offensive game I think he tops out at a 2C. So they still need to find that true 1C to play MM39. And then we just passed up a chance to draft a potential 1D in Zeev.

But hey, we have all these picks in the next draft!

- Flyfly



I think the Luchanko ceiling is much higher. This is such a big year for his development and they are actually letting Torts park an 18 year old in the press box. Who’s more dumb? The coach or the GM letting it happen?
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