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roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Oct 28 @ 7:19 AM ET
Farbee needs to be traded for preferably a young defensive or center prospect or whatever they can get. Andrae set him up with a great outlet pass and he took a great shot right into the logo of the goalie. A complete ZERO play! Not even a chance to create a rebound from an onrushing forward. The clock is ticking on him and Frosty.
- Phillywhiteout

Farabee was on a two on one with Nic D, with the defender leaning towards him. I don’t think anyone was expecting a Pavel Bure laser like shot there.
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Oct 28 @ 7:24 AM ET
I didn’t watch the whole game but from the highlights he looks like he moves better than feds.

Also, from the sounds of things andrae played well. Keep him in the lineup for gods sake.

- Hextall271


Kolosov's positioning is a ton better. He has work to do for sure but he at least looks like he belongs.

Andrae made a bunch of good exit passes. I did not get to focus on his d-zone coverage though.

Less ND moving forward please.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 28 @ 7:25 AM ET
Frost, Laughton, Farabeee; they are what they are and they’re not gonna get any better. The Flyers need to cut bait with all three at this point and just bring up some kids and play out the season. Andre did look pretty good tonight as I thought he would look he’s ready for the NHL. He shouldn’t be down with the phantoms.
- jd250


This is nonsense. Both Frost and Farabee are both capable of playing much better than they currently are.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 28 @ 7:26 AM ET
Before the season started he had 23 points in 57 games last season. Now he has 4 points in 6 games this season. The offense has been there this season so far
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


One other thing, you've repeatedly said that Erik Johnson won't be blocking a young player. He's been blocking a young player all season.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 28 @ 7:27 AM ET
With centers like Frost, Poehling and Cates and even in a 31-year-old couturier this Flyers team is going nowhere. They’re going to finish near the bottom of the conference. You can’t win in this league without good center play and the Flyers just aren’t getting it nor will they get it this season with this group.
- jd250


Do you recall your pre season prediction? They had the same centers then
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 28 @ 7:37 AM ET
As I have said many times, Farabee is an OK player with OK skill. Teams trip over players like him.
- jd250


An idiotic comment lacking common sense. Farabee last year scored 22 goals. There are 32 teams in the NHL. Last season there were 135 forwards who scored 20 or more goals. Farabee was one of them. There were 609 forwards who played in the NHL last season. Using simple common sense, that makes Farabee a well above average NHL player.

As far as teams tripping over players like that. 32 teams with 135 players that scored 20 or more goals. That equals 4.2 per team. Teams are not tripping over 20 goals scoring forwards. They are lacking them.

You continue to make comments that are not well thought out.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Oct 28 @ 7:43 AM ET
Kolosov's positioning is a ton better. He has work to do for sure but he at least looks like he belongs.

Andrae made a bunch of good exit passes. I did not get to focus on his d-zone coverage though.

Less ND moving forward please.

- mickel25


It's so pointless to have ND out there. Like a black hole in the 12 forwards slots.

From what you're telling, sounds like Andrae and Kolosov should stay up. I'd be fine with that.
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Oct 28 @ 7:55 AM ET
This team is brutal defensively right now.
- MJL



Shawsie is not done coaching them up. You just wait and see -- I mean he has turned rr into a perennial Norris trophy d-man
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Oct 28 @ 7:56 AM ET
This is nonsense. Both Frost and Farabee are both capable of playing much better than they currently are.
- MJL
Your buddy Frosty really needs to $hit or get off the pot. He is a boring player at this point. He plays with no fire and is currently leading the team with a -12 rating. No more excuses!!! Farabee just looks lost and disinterested. Andrae made a real nice pass to spring him into the zone and he took a weak shot into the goalie's chest. No chance for rebound...nothing! He's been invisible this entire season.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 28 @ 7:57 AM ET
Your buddy Frosty really needs to $hit or get off the pot. He is a boring player at this point. He plays with no fire and is currently leading the team with a -12 rating. No more excuses!!! Farabee just looks lost and disinterested. Andrae made a real nice pass to spring him into the zone and he took a weak shot into the goalie's chest. No chance for rebound...nothing! He's been invisible this entire season.
- Phillywhiteout


Both players need to be much better than they have been. Other than on the PP, other than a few good moments, Frost has been dogpoop

Stop with the your buddy rhetoric
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Oct 28 @ 7:59 AM ET
This is nonsense. Both Frost and Farabee are both capable of playing much better than they currently are.
- MJL

Oh, no doubt both players can play better than they are now and they ae both young enough still. No doubt they can get hot for a stretch as well. But at the end of the day I don't see them making a jump to the next level. I believe they are what they are. Frost is going to be a center that will get about 45 points and have a 49% faceoff percentage. Farabee can get 20 goals on tip-ins and deflections and play OK. Laughton will get 15 goals and play solid 4th line minutes and occasionally higher in the lineup. For the Flyers to move forward, they need to get better, especially at the center position. Torts mentioned last night that Foerster played 14 minutes and 0 shots on goal. Some of that is on Foerster for sure, but alot of that is because of the centers he is playing with.
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Oct 28 @ 8:02 AM ET
So most of those players dont matter. Konecny and Tippett are the only 2 long term deals and the Flyers dont exactly have prospects knocking on the door right now. Guys like Poehling, Hathaway, Laughton and Cates can be moved. Seeler is the only one I view as a mistake as we are commited for 2 years due to the NTC

We have a ton of young players on the team and we are still evaluating to see what these players. Farabee, Brink, Frost, Foerster, and Drysdale are key young players that we still dont know what they are and if they are part of our future.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


They could have been moved over the last 2 season and yet here they are -- the majority extended - gmdb is about as bad as chuckles at this point
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 28 @ 8:03 AM ET
Oh, no doubt both players can play better than they are now and they ae both young enough still. No doubt they can get hot for a stretch as well. But at the end of the day I don't see them making a jump to the next level. I believe they are what they are. Frost is going to be a center that will get about 45 points and have a 49% faceoff percentage. Farabee can get 20 goals on tip-ins and deflections and play OK. Laughton will get 15 goals and play solid 4th line minutes and occasionally higher in the lineup. For the Flyers to move forward, they need to get better, especially at the center position. Torts mentioned last night that Foerster played 14 minutes and 0 shots on goal. Some of that is on Foerster for sure, but alot of that is because of the centers he is playing with.
- jd250


That's another one of your ridiculous false narratives. That Farabee only scores on tips and deflections. Foerster has not played well. You don't see Foerster getting to the interior of the ice or getting to the net.

Frost is currently at 54% on faceoffs.
Flyers_01
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2006

Oct 28 @ 8:03 AM ET
It's so pointless to have ND out there. Like a black hole in the 12 forwards slots.

From what you're telling, sounds like Andrae and Kolosov should stay up. I'd be fine with that.

- Hextall271


ND, the last remnants of a bygone era. Reminds me of Jody Shelley. Signed just a few years before Holmgren hung up his GM role for good and maybe one of the signs the game had passed him by. Good guy, great in the locker room, main skill was to drop the gloves. Couldn't score in a (insert joke here). Signed to an overpaid 3 year contract to provide toughness and grit. A side note was that he score 2 goals the previous year, both against the Flyers so they had to get the Flyers killer.

Laviolette gradually refused to play him until year 3 when he only played 1 game because the GMs mistake didn't mean he had to play him on game days. After that he retired.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Oct 28 @ 8:04 AM ET
Do you recall your pre season prediction? They had the same centers then
- MJL

Yes, my predictions was the Flyers would be a bubble team, finishing in the middle of the division fighting for the 4th spot. I still believe that will happen. This team is much better than getting 3 shots on goal in several periods. Still, is this your standard? Its certainly not my standard. I want the Flyers to take the next step, and that will not happen IMO with the centers they have on this team. I am very happy for Couts and I sincerely hope he keeps it up, but there is nothing after him. I was really hoping Frost would be playing better.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Oct 28 @ 8:05 AM ET
That's another one of your ridiculous false narratives. That Farabee only scores on tips and deflections. Foerster has not played well. You don't see Foerster getting to the interior of the ice or getting to the net.
- MJL

Look at his goal this year and last year. I reviewed each one and most of them were on tip-ins and deflections. That is what he is. Farabee is not going to score on the rush all that often.

BTW, Sanheim is off my Sucks with a capital 'S' list. Even when York comes back I think they should keep with with Risto. I hope he keeps it up.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Oct 28 @ 8:11 AM ET
Yes, my predictions was the Flyers would be a bubble team, finishing in the middle of the division fighting for the 4th spot. I still believe that will happen. This team is much better than getting 3 shots on goal in several periods. Still, is this your standard? Its certainly not my standard. I want the Flyers to take the next step, and that will not happen IMO with the centers they have on this team. I am very happy for Couts and I sincerely hope he keeps it up, but there is nothing after him. I was really hoping Frost would be playing better.
- jd250
I had the Flyers finishing last in the division basically because of their defense and goaltending. I actually thought that they would be able to put the puck in the net. If all these guys stay in extended slumps this team will easily finish in the bottom 5 which would make lots of folks on here happy.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 28 @ 8:11 AM ET
Yes, my predictions was the Flyers would be a bubble team, finishing in the middle of the division fighting for the 4th spot. I still believe that will happen. This team is much better than getting 3 shots on goal in several periods. Still, is this your standard? Its certainly not my standard. I want the Flyers to take the next step, and that will not happen IMO with the centers they have on this team. I am very happy for Couts and I sincerely hope he keeps it up, but there is nothing after him. I was really hoping Frost would be playing better.
- jd250


Just last night at 11:22 PM, you made the following post

"With centers like Frost, Poehling and Cates and even in a 31-year-old couturier this Flyers team is going nowhere. They’re going to finish near the bottom of the conference."

Now here you are saying that they will be in the middle of the division fighting for a playoff spot.


MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 28 @ 8:14 AM ET
Look at his goal this year and last year. I reviewed each one and most of them were on tip-ins and deflections. That is what he is. Farabee is not going to score on the rush all that often.

BTW, Sanheim is off my Sucks with a capital 'S' list. Even when York comes back I think they should keep with with Risto. I hope he keeps it up.

- jd250


You did a very bad job of reviewing and you should do it again. Less than half of Farabee's goals last season were on tips and deflections. Does a goal count less on the scoreboard if it is a tip or deflection?

Sanheim SUCKS is just more of your asinine and uninformed rhetoric. Ristolainen does not belong anywhere near the top 4. He wasn't good last night.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Oct 28 @ 8:17 AM ET
Just last night at 11:22 PM, you made the following post

"With centers like Frost, Poehling and Cates and even in a 31-year-old couturier this Flyers team is going nowhere. They’re going to finish near the bottom of the conference."

Now here you are saying that they will be in the middle of the division fighting for a playoff spot.

- MJL

You asked me what my prediction was before the season started and I answered it. However after 9 games, if the center play keeps up like this, the Flyers will finish near the bottom of the conference.
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Oct 28 @ 8:18 AM ET
Just looked at the standings and the Flyers upcoming schedule. Already last in the East and with that schedule they may get buried quickly.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Oct 28 @ 8:19 AM ET
You did a very bad job of reviewing and you should do it again. Less than half of Farabee's goals last season were on tips and deflections. Does a goal count less on the scoreboard if it is a tip or deflection?

Sanheim SUCKS is just more of your asinine and uninformed rhetoric. Ristolainen does not belong anywhere near the top 4. He wasn't good last night.

- MJL

Risto is not as good against small and fast teams, but neither was Chara. Montreal is what, 12-3 in the last 15 games the Flyers. That is not a coincidence. It's a bad match up right now. And its completely idiotic for you to say Risto doesn't belong in the top 4, most if not all GMs know he is a good 2nd pairing option.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 28 @ 8:22 AM ET
You asked me what my prediction was before the season started and I answered it. However after 9 games, if the center play keeps up like this, the Flyers will finish near the bottom of the conference.
- jd250


The center play has changed between 11:22 last night and now? Last night you said they're going nowhere and will finish in the bottom of the conference. This morning you said will again be a bubble team and challenge for the 4th playoff spot.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 28 @ 8:26 AM ET
Risto is not as good against small and fast teams, but neither was Chara. Montreal is what, 12-3 in the last 15 games the Flyers. That is not a coincidence. It's a bad match up right now. And its completely idiotic for you to say Risto doesn't belong in the top 4, most if not all GMs know he is a good 2nd pairing option.
- jd250


Oh my goodness, every day you step in it. Chara was a dominant Norris trophy winning defenseman who was a top 5 finisher in the Norris trophy voting in his career 8 times. He was dominant against every team in his prime.

Do you know what a fallacy is? Prove that most if not all GM's know that Ristolainen is a good 2nd pairing option? He is not even a good 2nd pairing option on the Flyers. LOL


corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Oct 28 @ 8:29 AM ET
Risto is not as good against small and fast teams, but neither was Chara. Montreal is what, 12-3 in the last 15 games the Flyers. That is not a coincidence. It's a bad match up right now. And its completely idiotic for you to say Risto doesn't belong in the top 4, most if not all GMs know he is a good 2nd pairing option.
- jd250


Can you call Utah and explain to them they need to offer up numerous draft picks so they can acquire rr?
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