Rielly suspended how long for the Greig thing last season?

OEL fines $5K max for a reverse hit that happens a lot?

Hathaway ONLY $5k for a scummy play like that vs Wild?…and it’s Hathaway who is a gutless player

Parros totally is fair when it comes to Leafs vs rest of league!?

The three losses are the small sample size. The Leafs played the Rangers evenly. The only difference was the Rangers managed to run Stolarz three times without a call and Shesterkin was unmolested.

The Leafs beat the living poop out of Devils, Tampa and Pittsburgh. Those games were not close.

Leafs lost two with horrible goaltending. Both Hildeby and Woll had terrible games while the team was dealing with a flu bug. Last night could have gone either way. The sky is not falling. Its an unpleasant loss.
- winsix

+1

Rielly suspended how long for the Greig thing last season?

OEL fines $5K max for a reverse hit that happens a lot?

Hathaway ONLY $5k for a scummy play like that vs Wild?…and it’s Hathaway who is a gutless player

Parros totally is fair when it comes to Leafs vs rest of league!?
- Big23Questions

lol not even close

Toronto was 7th in suspensions last year with a huge amount of 1 and not even in the top 3 in fines. Wouldn’t have even been top 10 in fines if it wasn’t for Keefe’s.

Rielly suspended how long for the Greig thing last season?

OEL fines $5K max for a reverse hit that happens a lot?

Hathaway ONLY $5k for a scummy play like that vs Wild?…and it’s Hathaway who is a gutless player

Parros totally is fair when it comes to Leafs vs rest of league!?
- Big23Questions

I'd like to see 20 games for that kinda dirty play!
https://youtu.be/WguL2tuo...g?si=Gh_szXxES05Lo7iB&t=2

lol not even close

Toronto was 7th in suspensions last year with a huge amount of 1 and not even in the top 3 in fines. Wouldn’t have even been top 10 in fines if it wasn’t for Keefe’s.
- Dozzer

I dont believe people are referring to quantity but rather overall severity of the punishment.
Quantity is not a great indicator as that really depends on the type of players you have for the most part.

I dont believe people are referring to quantity but rather overall severity of the punishment.
Quantity is not a great indicator as that really depends on the type of players you have for the most part.
- Fakepartofme

exactly, i tried to explain that before. I dont care so much about how many. although the Leafs being "7th" feels high for the teams they have

also, 1 season is not enough of a sample.

I dont believe people are referring to quantity but rather overall severity of the punishment.
Quantity is not a great indicator as that really depends on the type of players you have for the most part.
- Fakepartofme

Leaf fans are known as whiners for a reason… this would be one of them.

Look it over yourself… the leafs are not picked on, also, remove your bias before analyzing. For a lot of leaf fans it’s fair when it happens to any other team but not when it happens to the leafs.

https://en.m.wikipedia.or...NHL_suspensions_and_fines

The leafs are not picked on by the league imo, and I’ll never think otherwise.

Edit: to be clear it’s my opinion and I’m not asking anyone to see it the way I do. Differing perspectives make convo good

Leaf fans are known as whiners for a reason… this would be one of them.

Look it over yourself… the leafs are not picked on, also, remove your bias before analyzing. For a lot of leaf fans it’s fair when it happens to any other team but not when it happens to the leafs.

https://en.m.wikipedia.or...NHL_suspensions_and_fines

The leafs are not picked on by the league imo, and I’ll never think otherwise.

Edit: to be clear it’s my opinion and I’m not asking anyone to see it the way I do. Differing perspectives make convo good
- Dozzer

https://x.com/JeffVeillet...tatus/1756768626550374597

https://x.com/JeffVeillette/status/1756768626550374597
- gravyface

huh

huh
- senstroll

It show that we're penalized far less than we are suspended, i.e. not a dirty team. I mean look at FLA there and Trouba, who's got more trophies from headhunting than the Predator

https://x.com/JeffVeillette/status/1756768626550374597
- gravyface

This is literally going back 8 years til now. When it comes to this I just use the latest season (or maybe 2) til the present. It’s the best way to analyze how the current roster is doing when it comes to this.

This is literally going back 8 years til now. When it comes to this I just use the latest season (or maybe 2) til the present. It’s the best way to analyze how the current roster is doing when it comes to this.
- Dozzer

These charts are showing a history of imbalance in the league as far as suspensions handed out, and Parros is still at the helm, so can we expect any difference this year? And most of the same players are here this year.

It show that we're penalized far less than we are suspended, i.e. not a dirty team. I mean look at FLA there and Trouba, who's got more trophies from headhunting than the Predator
- gravyface

https://x.com/Hydroxidebl...0rz7RItTohgbWzVTbLBQ&s=19

There is also this, it seems to show that the leafs are low in penalties but high in suspension rate.
At least thats what i got from a few seconds i looked it over.

Leaf fans are known as whiners for a reason… this would be one of them.

Look it over yourself… the leafs are not picked on, also, remove your bias before analyzing. For a lot of leaf fans it’s fair when it happens to any other team but not when it happens to the leafs.

https://en.m.wikipedia.or...NHL_suspensions_and_fines

The leafs are not picked on by the league imo, and I’ll never think otherwise.

Edit: to be clear it’s my opinion and I’m not asking anyone to see it the way I do. Differing perspectives make convo good
- Dozzer

Im not saying they are picked on, just pointimg out that many people (non leafs fans as well) seem to feel that the severity of punishment is more when compared to the same action and punishment for a non leafs player.

Has nothing to do with calling leafs fans whiners or perceived belief that they are whiners.

This is literally going back 8 years til now. When it comes to this I just use the latest season (or maybe 2) til the present. It’s the best way to analyze how the current roster is doing when it comes to this.
- Dozzer

This chart shows the long history, its a better representation that just 1 or 2 years.

These charts are showing a history of imbalance in the league as far as suspensions handed out, and Parros is still at the helm, so can we expect any difference this year? And most of the same players are here this year.
- gravyface

Yes we can expect a difference since the leafs literally weren’t anywhere near the worst last year.

You’re trying to include the years where the current core were still kids and the leafs had a bunch of players who did earn fines/suspensions that aren’t even part of the team anymore.

As I said, want to judge the league? Look at how they treated the previous season as roughly 80% of the value if seasons earlier than that are included in your analysis.

https://x.com/Hydroxideblue/status/1756778790494069069?t=mf0rz7RItTohgbWzVTbLBQ&s=19

There is also this, it seems to show that the leafs are low in penalties but high in suspension rate.
At least thats what i got from a few seconds i looked it over.
- Fakepartofme

Yeah, this is showing the same results.

Yes we can expect a difference since the leafs literally weren’t anywhere near the worst last year.

You’re trying to include the years where the current core were still kids and the leafs had a bunch of players who did earn fines/suspensions that aren’t even part of the team anymore.

As I said, want to judge the league? Look at how they treated the previous season as roughly 80% of the value if seasons earlier than that are included in your analysis.
- Dozzer

We already have an EOL max fine for literally a nothing play, a 2-min minor.

And Rielly last year on Grieg? I mean, c'mon.

Hedging my bets that we'll get another suspension at some point that's way out of whack.

Im not saying they are picked on, just pointimg out that many people (non leafs fans as well) seem to feel that the severity of punishment is more when compared to the same action and punishment for a non leafs player.

Has nothing to do with calling leafs fans whiners or perceived belief that they are whiners.
- Fakepartofme

Oh I’m not talking about here, that’s just everyone else I foolishly listen to

With fines I can see what you’re saying, not so much with suspensions. I think that’s because the leafs can quietly make that (fines) better for the player where other teams don’t.

As for Rielly last year I’m sorry but he deserved the 5 games. Hitting a guy in the head after a goal is a big no no even if the scorer did it rudely.

We already have an EOL max fine for literally a nothing play, a 2-min minor.

And Rielly last year on Grieg? I mean, c'mon.

Hedging my bets that we'll get another suspension at some point that's way out of whack.
- gravyface

Rielly deserved it. He cross checked a goal scorer in the head. Scorer can be a HUGE ass about it, but you still can’t hit him in the head.

And who cares about a fine when you’re the bloody leafs? If EOL needs the money back I’m sure MLSE would easily figure out a way to get it to him. Fine him 20 times, who cares? So long as he’s not suspended I certainly don’t.

who cares about the suspensions? Don't do suspendable things. Now who's better? MM or Willy?

Leaf fans are known as whiners for a reason… this would be one of them.

Look it over yourself… the leafs are not picked on, also, remove your bias before analyzing. For a lot of leaf fans it’s fair when it happens to any other team but not when it happens to the leafs.

https://en.m.wikipedia.or...NHL_suspensions_and_fines

The leafs are not picked on by the league imo, and I’ll never think otherwise.

Edit: to be clear it’s my opinion and I’m not asking anyone to see it the way I do. Differing perspectives make convo good
- Dozzer

Or


It's a shared opinion of many that the Leafs are treated differently than some other teams by the NHL DOPS and one 'fact' with respect to the # of fines teams got in one season will not change my opinion.


The Leafs being more harshly treated by the DOPS has been a trend since 2016/2017 when oddly enough George Paros joined and then became the head of the DOPS.

Found this article from this Feb which has lots of facts about how often the Leafs are penalized in relation to other teams, how often they have DOPS hearings and suspension etc.

https://thehockeywriters....ng%20non%2Dhockey%20plays.

For a team near the bottom of the league in # of penalties taken it sure seems odd that they have so many suspensions no?

The key points from the article (which was about Rielly's suspension and that he would appeal from the empty neck slapshot by the Ottawa Loser) for me were these:

- Since the start of the 2017-18 season, the Maple Leafs are actually 29th most penalized team with 3,838 penalty minutes over those six and a half seasons. They are 30th when it comes to penalty minutes per game (with 7:34) and have the 27th most minors (1,506) over that span.

- Major penalties, they have just 79 which is sixth fewest in the NHL over that span with one match penalty, 20 misconducts and four game misconducts — all within the lower third of the league since the start of 2017.

- Counter that with the numbers that’ve come down from Parros and the DoPS. No team has had a player suspended more times than the Maple Leafs over that span — leading the way with 10 suspensions between the regular season and playoffs. Three of those were in-person hearings, another category in which the Maple Leafs are tops in the league since 2017.

- They are the only team to have three or more suspensions of five games or more and while they don’t lead the way in overall games, they do come second in that category to the Washington Capitals — thanks to Tom Wilson.

So in conclusion I will continue to believe the DOPS treats the Leafs differently and fines, demands in person hearings and suspends Leafs players disproportionately compared to the rest of the league.

It show that we're penalized far less than we are suspended, i.e. not a dirty team. I mean look at FLA there and Trouba, who's got more trophies from headhunting than the Predator
- gravyface

I said this before and was the main point

I dont think the Leafs are specially targeted, but they are just the most viewed. and any infraction gets amplified, so...gets attention and suspensions

there are so many other fans who hate watch the leafs... nobody cares if utah player does exactly what the leafs player did.

Teams that out-homer opponents are 47-11 the last two postseasons

hope the jays are working on those bunts

who cares about the suspensions? Don't do suspendable things. Now who's better? MM or Willy?
- drexel

This week? Marchand, Kyrou and some guy named Mathieu Olivier.