If Utah HC lose to the Sharks tonight do they get Liljegren-level desperate and pull the trigger?

Hakanpaa and Dewar are travelling with the team so I'm assuming they're close.

hope the jays are working on those bunts
- senstroll

Atkins doesnt believe homers win games.

My gawd that hernandez trade gets worse and worse by the minute.

I said this before and was the main point

I dont think the Leafs are specially targeted, but they are just the most viewed. and any infraction gets amplified, so...gets attention and suspensions

there are so many other fans who hate watch the leafs... nobody cares if utah player does exactly what the leafs player did.
- senstroll

That doesn't make it any better: they should be able to sift through the noise and make decisions that aren't affected by viewership numbers. This isn't refereeing, which is conducted in real-time: they have the luxury of time on their hands and they have their own precedence to follow, nobody else's, and it seems like they're making it up as they go along, with no consistency.

If Utah HC lose to the Sharks tonight do they get Liljegren-level desperate and pull the trigger?

Hakanpaa and Dewar are travelling with the team so I'm assuming they're close.
- The Law

Still think its too early for the leafs to pull the trigger unless utah really overpays.

Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
Jake McCabe 5 x $4.51 with Toronto

I can live with that.

Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
Jake McCabe 5 x $4.51 with Toronto

I can live with that.
- gravyface

Yup for sure.
Its only a $510 000 raise.

Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
Jake McCabe 5 x $4.51 with Toronto

I can live with that.
- gravyface

Yup, no problems with that. Larsson and Lindell both got 5+ recently.

Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
Jake McCabe 5 x $4.51 with Toronto

I can live with that.
- gravyface

Tree is cookin up some spicy perogy pizzas

Or


It's a shared opinion of many that the Leafs are treated differently than some other teams by the NHL DOPS and one 'fact' with respect to the # of fines teams got in one season will not change my opinion.


The Leafs being more harshly treated by the DOPS has been a trend since 2016/2017 when oddly enough George Paros joined and then became the head of the DOPS.

Found this article from this Feb which has lots of facts about how often the Leafs are penalized in relation to other teams, how often they have DOPS hearings and suspension etc.

https://thehockeywriters....ng%20non%2Dhockey%20plays.

For a team near the bottom of the league in # of penalties taken it sure seems odd that they have so many suspensions no?

The key points from the article (which was about Rielly's suspension and that he would appeal from the empty neck slapshot by the Ottawa Loser) for me were these:

- Since the start of the 2017-18 season, the Maple Leafs are actually 29th most penalized team with 3,838 penalty minutes over those six and a half seasons. They are 30th when it comes to penalty minutes per game (with 7:34) and have the 27th most minors (1,506) over that span.

- Major penalties, they have just 79 which is sixth fewest in the NHL over that span with one match penalty, 20 misconducts and four game misconducts — all within the lower third of the league since the start of 2017.

- Counter that with the numbers that’ve come down from Parros and the DoPS. No team has had a player suspended more times than the Maple Leafs over that span — leading the way with 10 suspensions between the regular season and playoffs. Three of those were in-person hearings, another category in which the Maple Leafs are tops in the league since 2017.

- They are the only team to have three or more suspensions of five games or more and while they don’t lead the way in overall games, they do come second in that category to the Washington Capitals — thanks to Tom Wilson.

So in conclusion I will continue to believe the DOPS treats the Leafs differently and fines, demands in person hearings and suspends Leafs players disproportionately compared to the rest of the league.
- Cush29

Suspensions/Fines are based on one specific moment, not team overall behaviour.

Also, I only care about last year and maybe a little bit about the year before that, it’s the only years that even remotely consider the current team/coach/management.

That’s my thing, if you think the leafs roster for 2018 plays a role into how they’re treated now I won’t won’t give it much weight. You’re correct about the facts but I don’t consider them as important as you either.

Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
Jake McCabe 5 x $4.51 with Toronto

I can live with that.
- gravyface

I like it.

El Predicto says…..

Woll with a 39 save shutout
Jets streak is over

💙

Yup for sure.
Its only a $510 000 raise.
- Fakepartofme

$2.51 mill more for the leafs to fit under their cap tho.

Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
Jake McCabe 5 x $4.51 with Toronto

I can live with that.
- gravyface

LET'S.... FRICK'N.... GOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

$2.51 mill more for the leafs to fit under their cap tho.
- Dozzer

You do that deal 11/10 times.

Suspensions/Fines are based on one specific moment, not team overall behaviour.

Also, I only care about last year and maybe a little bit about the year before that, it’s the only years that even remotely consider the current team/coach/management.

That’s my thing, if you think the leafs roster for 2018 plays a role into how they’re treated now I won’t won’t give it much weight. You’re correct about the facts but I don’t consider them as important as you either.
- Dozzer

Suspensions / fines not being applied consistently to all teams by the DOPS is a pattern, and yes it extends beyond the arbitrary amount of time that you personally care about.

It's not about a specific roster, it's about the head of the DOPS not being consistent in how they apply suspensions / fines to ONE TEAM - regardless of the roster.

You can care about this year only and this roster only, I'll care about the historical data in relation to the team not a specific roster. You can give my opinion as much or as little weight as you choose to or not, I'll do the same with yours.

I's obvious we don't have the same POV on this (which is fine), you saying the facts are correct but you don't consider them 'as important' as I do' kinda' says it all really.

Factual opinions and emotional ones aren't often the same.

Suspensions / fines not being applied consistently to all teams by the DOPS is a pattern, and yes it extends beyond the arbitrary amount of time that you personally care about.

It's not about a specific roster, it's about the head of the DOPS not being consistent in how they apply suspensions / fines to ONE TEAM - regardless of the roster.

You can care about this year only and this roster only, I'll care about the historical data in relation to the team not a specific roster. You can give my opinion as much or as little weight as you choose to or not, I'll do the same with yours.

I's obvious we don't have the same POV on this (which is fine), you saying the facts are correct but you don't consider them 'as important' as I do' kinda' says it all really.

Factual opinions and emotional ones aren't often the same.
- Cush29

Mine is factual. It just doesn’t include teams that no longer exist.

$2.51 mill more for the leafs to fit under their cap tho.
- Dozzer

Yes it is.
Leafs top 4 D is gonna be real "old" in a few years
McCabe- 31
Tanev - 34
Rielly - 30
Oel - 33

(Not sure how this compares to other teams)

You do that deal 11/10 times.
- Whipper

Yes and no.

The leafs top 4 are now signed til 2028-29 or beyond and the youngest one is 30.

Love McCabe don’t get me wrong, but I’m not a fan of age for the leafs D.

Yes it is.
Leafs top 4 D is gonna be real "old" in a few years
McCabe- 31
Tanev - 34
Rielly - 30
Oel - 33

(Not sure how this compares to other teams)
- Fakepartofme

My only concern. Not a proven problem at all admittedly but yeah, it’s the one part that makes me curious.

Perhaps this is management telling their current core this is how long they have til they start rebuilding since they’ll be 30+ by then.

Mine is factual. It just doesn’t include teams that no longer exist.
- Dozzer

Ok fair I should have said that you are choosing to use only the part of the facts that support your opinion while ignoring other factual data that refutes it. You also took a bit of the emotional approach by saying all Leaf fans whine and you will never change your opinion on it.

All fans whine about their team being treated unfairly all the time, sometimes it's accurate and sometimes it's not.

This is a situation where there is proven data over a number of years that supports an opinion, making it a fact. To say "I don't care about that data and will not change my mind" is emotional.

It's all good, you won't change your opinion and neither will I, no point in continuing to try to change each other's mind.

Go Leafs Go.

Ok fair I should have said that you are choosing to use only the part of the facts that support your opinion while ignoring other factual data that refutes it. You also took a bit of the emotional approach by saying all Leaf fans whine and you will never change your opinion on it.

All fans whine about their team being treated unfairly all the time, sometimes it's accurate and sometimes it's not.

This is a situation where there is proven data over a number of years that supports an opinion, making it a fact. To say "I don't care about that data and will not change my mind" is emotional.

It's all good, you won't change your opinion and neither will I, no point in continuing to try to change each other's mind.

Go Leafs Go.
- Cush29

Ok fair I should have said that you are choosing to use only the part of the facts that support your opinion while ignoring other factual data that refutes it. You also took a bit of the emotional approach by saying all Leaf fans whine and you will never change your opinion on it.

All fans whine about their team being treated unfairly all the time, sometimes it's accurate and sometimes it's not.

This is a situation where there is proven data over a number of years that supports an opinion, making it a fact. To say "I don't care about that data and will not change my mind" is emotional.

It's all good, you won't change your opinion and neither will I, no point in continuing to try to change each other's mind.

Go Leafs Go.
- Cush29

I’m not trying to change your mind. Their current roster matters, the previous one doesn’t. Sorry for being over the top. Cheers.

Go Leafs Go

Atkins doesnt believe homers win games.

My gawd that hernandez trade gets worse and worse by the minute.
- Fakepartofme

the trade was fine at the time.

they could have just re-signed him. chose not to. but that season with Seattle was very meh. 108 ops+

..and they can just sign him again if they want

Yes it is.
Leafs top 4 D is gonna be real "old" in a few years
McCabe- 31
Tanev - 34
Rielly - 30
Oel - 33

(Not sure how this compares to other teams)
- Fakepartofme

Other teams trade off their older D if they have to. Depending on the trade partner and relationship the sweetener may not be so bad - especially because most of those contracts will be pretty easy to absorb - like $4.5m in 4 years projects to equate to $3.75m in today's dollars - so maybe a 2nd to dump a contract? This team isn't built for a whole lot after 4-5 years from now anyway, imo.

They could Washington it and win in their star player's 13th season. This is Matthews' 9th. Ovi won when he was 32 and Matthews just turned 27.

So the calming part of me says there's time. The part that doesn't love the lack of progress needs to see some f'n progress to feel like the next steps are being taken. I like OEL and Tanev but the D still needs to be better and someone or something needs to inspire Matthews to go be his full size and play like it.

I’m not trying to change your mind. Their current roster matters, the previous one doesn’t. Sorry for being over the top. Cheers.

Go Leafs Go
- Dozzer

I know what you're saying but I think when there's a systemic behaviour towards an organization, you look beyond the roster itself.

I've said this before and I am absolutely positive of it - Colin Campbell is still Parros' boss. He still pulls a lot of strings and he has a history of bias against players and teams - it's documented and was demonstrated in a court of law - there are transcripts proving it. His only defense to the proof was that he didn't know they'd be able to go through his emails. The NHL fixed it by promoting him.

Colin Campbell was expecting to be the Leafs' next GM in 2008, but the job went to Brian Burke - and Campbell felt the rug had been pulled out from under him, as he had already been telling people in the league office that he expected the formal offer.

To add to this - one of the teams in the middle of the pack for suspensions is probably one of the most egregious teams for dangerous hits - the Florida Panthers. Colin Campbell's son is the AGM of Florida. Let's not forget that Colin Campbell is George Parros' boss.

You say that no amount of evidence will sway you from thinking that the Leafs aren't punished worse than other teams. I say that no amount of evidence can sway me from believing that the DOPS and NHL League offices are and consistently demonstrate bias for and against certain franchises.